Crime, Sweden and how to not be misty-eyed

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Gedrene
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09 Nov 2011, 2:09 pm

Sweden sits on the top of Europe, an apparent paragon of good governance that brings tears to the eyes of western nations, an apparently obvious example of a pseudo-socialist system leading to a veritable paradise. Yet this is unwarranted praise. Sweden has a dark side, an ugly side, a large buboe that is beginning to develop visibly on the surface of Swedish society, and that is in law and order.

Currently the level of crime per capita in London was 111 per 1000 in 2009. That is 11.1%. London is a place with significant social and economic issues, with some of the poorest suburbs in western europe, high levels of unemployment, serious poverty and underlying racial tensions that would directly or indirectly increase crime levels through dissatisfaction, alienation and frustration.

The level of crime per capita in Sweden was 151 per 1000 in the same year. 15.1%. This include all of those areas where the crime rate would usually be lower, rural areas and seems amazing in comparison to London. Scotland, considered more . Now Sweden does have its racial tensions but given its apparently strong tolerant attitudes this shouldn't be much. Yet despite this 25% of offences are committed by immigrants. This belies a level of disconnect between the Swedes and their immigrant population that puts France to shame. Sweden also has a cradle to grave social system that essentially protects them from the hazards of unemployment. So poverty and unemployment are no significant challenge to a resident of Sweden.

Despite such high crime statistics apparently only 22% reported violent crimes and only 50% affected by vandalism, which would mean that the actual rate of criminality in Sweden would be higher and far higher than in the UK. Much of this seems to be in the booming sex and drug industries and is a recent development. Whereas about fifteen years earlier only a few gangs existed in the Skane area, but 2007 there were over fifty. http://www.thelocal.se/9046/ Infact over the last thirty years the crime rate in Sweden has increased by over 200%. Part of this has of course been due to more reporting but most are due to actual increases in the crime rate. Interestingly the pressure exerted by the government seems to be inverse to the crime rate of certain criminal categories. Sweden, per head, is the Rape Capital of Europe with a level twice as high as the UK. On the other hand there seems to be a lot of controversy when these cases are presented in whether there has been redefinition of the word rape by Swedish feminists.

So why is it that Sweden has allowed this to happen? One presumes that whilst alienation has a part to play, much of the anger is general dissatisfaction with Swedish society in general, an apathy that has bred contempt.

Next up: Law, order, kafkaesque or paradisiacal? or Sweden, the land of 125% meat sausages

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151 per 100 changes to 151 per 1000. [Sweden isn't THAT bad by far.]



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10 Nov 2011, 12:40 am

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10 Nov 2011, 7:55 am

How much of Sweden's rising crime rate is related to Muslim immigration?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZtc2ma2GEQ


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10 Nov 2011, 8:29 am

Dear Gedrene, 'crime per capita was 151 per 100'? I'm lost...In addition, please clarify what is meant by 'redefinition of the word rape'. I am not trying to start an argument here, but if there is a possibility that a woman is submitting out of fear, or is too drunk to resist, that is not consensual...Sylkat



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10 Nov 2011, 8:45 am

Sylkat wrote:
Dear Gedrene, 'crime per capita was 151 per 100'? I'm lost...In addition, please clarify what is meant by 'redefinition of the word rape'. I am not trying to start an argument here, but if there is a possibility that a woman is submitting out of fear, or is too drunk to resist, that is not consensual...Sylkat

Of course, and I shall be getting to that. The issue is that the Swedes are quite proud of their robust sex equality and women's rights in the same way that Americans are proud of their liberty and superpower status, i.e. there's a lot of bluster and pride that has meant the Swedes have had a psychotic disconnect between their cherished characteristics and reality. I'll get to how the Swedes with their strong views of Women's rights actually do a somewhat good job of undermining it. I'll also get to the hypocrisy and contradictions of Swedish gender equality in government and society.



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11 Nov 2011, 12:20 pm

It seems they're behaving like absolute fools with their love of mass immigration. Parties - like the Sweden Democrats - are emerging to counteract this. And not before time, though I don't agree with the SD.

When the elites don't listen to the people they serve people will look elsewhere. Simple really.

Stopping mass immigration - and leaving the EU - would be a good start.



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11 Nov 2011, 1:31 pm

Hahahahaha.

Having grown up in and around London and now living in a town Sweden, I can only say you are having laugh ... :lol:



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11 Nov 2011, 1:36 pm

MotherKnowsBest wrote:
Hahahahaha.

Having grown up in and around London and now living in a town Sweden, I can only say you are having laugh ... :lol:
:D Would you rather I detail you on the types of crime? Furthermore Percripe est esse. One feel you are ignoring fact because of an impression you have.



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11 Nov 2011, 1:39 pm

my father would be proud,i always knew denmark was the best place in scandanavia (and europe for that matter)


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11 Nov 2011, 1:46 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
my father would be proud,i always knew denmark was the best place in scandanavia (and europe for that matter)


Things have been changing there for years - an awful lot of the general Danish public is sick of mass immigration and foreigners coming to scrounge off their welfare systems. That said, the Danish People's Party lost power with the coalition in the last election and a few seats as well. Anti-immigration parties are a definite feature of the Scandinavian political landscape, and they have a considerable presence in their national legislatures unlike in the UK.



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11 Nov 2011, 1:53 pm

Tequila wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
my father would be proud,i always knew denmark was the best place in scandanavia (and europe for that matter)


Things have been changing there for years - an awful lot of the general Danish public is sick of mass immigration and foreigners coming to scrounge off their welfare systems. That said, the Danish People's Party lost power with the coalition in the last election and a few seats as well. Anti-immigration parties are a definite feature of the Scandinavian political landscape, and they have a considerable presence in their national legislatures unlike in the UK.
so is it a bad place to live now,recently ive read it has the happiest people in the world.i also think people should populate greenland more


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11 Nov 2011, 1:57 pm

Tequila wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
my father would be proud,i always knew denmark was the best place in scandanavia (and europe for that matter)


Things have been changing there for years - an awful lot of the general Danish public is sick of mass immigration and foreigners coming to scrounge off their welfare systems.
Yes of course. They all scrounge off the welfare and add nothing to the economy etc etc etc. I couldn't see the UK economy working without immigrant labour.



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11 Nov 2011, 2:03 pm

Gedrene wrote:
MotherKnowsBest wrote:
Hahahahaha.

Having grown up in and around London and now living in a town Sweden, I can only say you are having laugh ... :lol:
:D Would you rather I detail you on the types of crime? Furthermore Percripe est esse. One feel you are ignoring fact because of an impression you have.


Fact: The EU Comparative Analysis of the European Crime and Safety report categorises Sweden as having a 'medium' crime level.

Fact: The EU Comparative Analysis of the European Crime and Safety report categorises the UK as having a 'high' crime level. (Same as Denmark, sorry Vermontsavant :P )

In the UK you are most at risk of burglary and mugging. In Sweden you are most at risk of having your bike nicked from the train station.



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11 Nov 2011, 2:07 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
i also think people should populate greenland more


Would you want to live there? Lots of young Greenlanders leave for Denmark or the UK because it's so depressing. Teachers from Denmark get paid extra for working in Greenland.

Also, MotherKnowsBest, I wouldn't trust anything that foetid institution says even if my life depended on it. It has no democratic legitimacy whatever.



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11 Nov 2011, 2:07 pm

MotherKnowsBest wrote:
In the UK you are most at risk of burglary and mugging.


I would have thought random assault would be more of an issue.



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11 Nov 2011, 2:13 pm

Tequila wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
i also think people should populate greenland more


Would you want to live there? Lots of young Greenlanders leave for Denmark or the UK because it's so depressing. Teachers from Denmark get paid extra for working in Greenland.

Also, MotherKnowsBest, I wouldn't trust anything that foetid institution says even if my life depended on it. It has no democratic legitimacy whatever.
people in north america love living in alaska and northern canada.ive honestly though about moving to greenland


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