Conrad Murray guilty of manslaughter

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07 Nov 2011, 5:15 pm

I'm still not sure what to believe about this. I initially thought F-WORD YEAH!! ! but then someone said that it might not be true... I am confused and need some definitive evidence! If anyone has some... please tell me!


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07 Nov 2011, 5:16 pm

Murray was guilty as hell and the way that he complete abandoned all medical ethics in his care of Jackson is despicable.

The fact that a lot of people were looking to this verdict to validate their image of MJ as a near-perfect, near-god-like being is a lot worse. A lot of blame in this matter falls on MJ himself, who told us to look at The Man In The Mirror but couldn't be bothered to do it himself, and a lot falls to his family and everyone else around him who couldn't see what was going on, or did see and kept quiet about it, thereby enabling him.

I hope people will remember that MJ had an addictive personality. He was addicted to drugs. He was addicted to plastic surgery. And even if he wasn't exactly a pedophile, his behavior around children went way beyond what an adult man should ever do with children. So I am sad that he's gone, saddened that he died too young, but also saddened by how he chose to live his life and the bad example he set for those that idolized him. So I hope people keep this all in perspective and not diefy him.



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07 Nov 2011, 5:42 pm

Who Michael Jackson was was the result of constant physical and emotional abuse at the hands of his father. Many, many people witnessed beatings, kicking, degrading verbal screaming insults, I never heard that ANYONE tried to stop that man from hurting his whole family. A traumatized child grows into an insecure, self doubting (sometimes self-hating) adult. Sylkat



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08 Nov 2011, 1:33 pm

My opinion is that while Dr Murray was medically negligent on the day that MJ died, he wasn't the only person to blame. Other doctors also gave MJ the drugs he was addicted to, as addicts often "doctor shop" to get their fix. MJ was a known drug addict, and nobody was able to get him the help he really needed, which was to treat the addiction. The reason why Murray was blamed was that he happened to be in the house on the day MJ died. It's true he might have been a good doctor for other patients in the hospital, but he was negligent to his most famous patient who died as a result.



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08 Nov 2011, 5:17 pm

ScrewyWabbit wrote:
Murray was guilty as hell and the way that he complete abandoned all medical ethics in his care of Jackson is despicable.

The fact that a lot of people were looking to this verdict to validate their image of MJ as a near-perfect, near-god-like being is a lot worse. A lot of blame in this matter falls on MJ himself, who told us to look at The Man In The Mirror but couldn't be bothered to do it himself, and a lot falls to his family and everyone else around him who couldn't see what was going on, or did see and kept quiet about it, thereby enabling him.

I hope people will remember that MJ had an addictive personality. He was addicted to drugs. He was addicted to plastic surgery. And even if he wasn't exactly a pedophile, his behavior around children went way beyond what an adult man should ever do with children. So I am sad that he's gone, saddened that he died too young, but also saddened by how he chose to live his life and the bad example he set for those that idolized him. So I hope people keep this all in perspective and not diefy him.
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09 Nov 2011, 2:31 am

I hold the view that the "reasonable man" would understand that a drug like the one which killed MJ is not safe to use in the home, if I injected someone with a dose of it to make them sleep and then left them unattended I then I would understand that I am putting their life in danger.

A doctor through their training has knowlege and experience which means that they understand the risk even more than me, also they should know better than me.

So I would say becuase of this then the doctor should be more harshly punished than a normal person.


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09 Nov 2011, 7:21 am

Murray is certainly guilty of manslaughter. To administer a drug which has no indications outside an operating theatre, and then leave Jackson to sleep unattended can only be negligent and reckless.

However my inner conspiracy theorist won't shut up.

The Jackson brand was worth hundred of millions of dollars. More than the Queen of England. And managing that is a large effort requiring many people. Jackson's managers could have arranged the best healthcare that American money can buy, instead they employed this cowboy. Jackson could not pop out to his local drug dealer because he is far too recognisable, so his only access to illegal / prescription only drugs was via those whom he surrounded himself with. And if you are told to do something illegal or excessively dangerous you refuse, regardless of the wealth of your client. Murray might then have been fired by Jackson, but his professional licence would be intact and could return to his previous practice.

If Jackson was demanding a drug to calm him or help him sleep, there are plenty of far safer choices than propofol. And no reason whatsoever not to supervise him while slept under the influence.

Jackson's stage act is highly energetic, and the planned 50 night tour at the London O2 was a massive undertaking, and might only have been a success if Jackson's health, diet, rest and fitness had been managed like that of a professional athlete. Jackson and his managers will have been well aware of that. As will AEG Live, who are left with a £300 million bill and an empty O2. Wonder if that risk was insured. I doubt any insurer would grant that level of cover without a prior medical report on Jackson. Wonder who wrote that report and what it said.

Edit: there was insurance, and it won't pay out. - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... giant.html



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30 Nov 2011, 3:19 am

And he's been sentenced to four years in county jail - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15936210