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17 Dec 2011, 2:31 am

This might make your blood boil http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2011 ... renade.php, my own view is that if they police are unable to find anything criminal at a site then the burden of proof should be on them to show that they behaved correctly regarding the deaths of the dogs and the burns to the woman's legs. This would be a reversal of the normal criminal level of proof

I would be interested to know what the civil damages and criminal punishment would be for a normal citizen to shoot the dog next door and poke the person next door with a branding iron. I would apply the product of 2 and these scanctions to the police department if I was the judge.


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17 Dec 2011, 3:12 am

Fixed the link

Rickia Russell wins $1 million police brutality settlement after burns from flashbang grenade

This situation actually happens more than some people might think. They are lucky to have gotten some cash out of it, as a lot of people get nothing.

If a citizen did this, they'd probably go to jail, but the victim wouldn't get any money, much less a million dollars.



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17 Dec 2011, 3:36 am

Radley Balko has been tracking this for some time under the rubric of puppycide; usually his cases involve the police arbitrarily shooting dogs that posed no threat as SoP when serving search or arrest warrants, even for non-violent crimes. He blogs at www.theagitator.com and the Huffington Post.


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17 Dec 2011, 12:52 pm

Speaking of police dogs, everybody in our town knows that when someone refuses to let the cops search their car when they get pulled over, the cops bring the dog and run it around the car. The dog always "hits" on something and sits down, giving the cops the probable cause they need to search the car.

However, our "police dog" is rather dubious. The way they got him was that one of the cops Sooner dogs bred with another dog on her own. Not the dog he wanted to breed her to. Those puppies were no good for hunting so he gave them away and kept one and attempted to train him as a police dog. Any time they would arrest somebody with drugs, that boy would take some of it home to use to train the dog, then bring it back. Apparantly that was ok. He trained him to sit when he smelled something like that.

I have been in court for tickets, having them thrown out because I've got the tag now, or insurance, etc, and seen people at the bench trials involving that dog. Most of the situations were where the dog sat, the cop searched the car, and found nothing at all. The cops defense was "Well, maybe he was tired or done or just wanted to sit down. He's a DOG, he can't actually TALK to me! It was probably cause" Everybody knows by now that he's trained the dog to just sit down anyway. Those court cases usually involve the cop insisting the driver was going a certain speed and the driver saying he's not. Now that our town went wet, they are getting a lot less money in the way of fines, so they apparantly think they have to do something to bring in revenue.

However, that dog won't help them arrest a violent person. Number one, he's way too small. A medium sized dog. He's been kicked by too many people being arrested and he's afraid of people now.

He's not a very good police dog if you ask me.


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17 Dec 2011, 9:05 pm

They tend to shoot dogs just for being there.
If it were my dog there would be payback.
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17 Dec 2011, 11:14 pm

Raptor wrote:
They tend to shoot dogs just for being there.
If it were my dog there would be payback.
:evil:


If someone killed one of their K-9s, they'd would be considered a felon and get at least 5 years in jail.



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17 Dec 2011, 11:22 pm

snapcap wrote:
Raptor wrote:
They tend to shoot dogs just for being there.
If it were my dog there would be payback.
:evil:


If someone killed one of their K-9s, they'd would be considered a felon and get at least 5 years in jail.


I don't think he's talking about shooting one of the police dogs... Raptor is a smart fella, I'm sure he'd wait several years for everyone to forget all about the whole incident before taking any action, wouldn't want that sort of thing to come back on you.


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17 Dec 2011, 11:27 pm

Dox47 wrote:
snapcap wrote:
Raptor wrote:
They tend to shoot dogs just for being there.
If it were my dog there would be payback.
:evil:


If someone killed one of their K-9s, they'd would be considered a felon and get at least 5 years in jail.


I don't think he's talking about shooting one of the police dogs... Raptor is a smart fella, I'm sure he'd wait several years for everyone to forget all about the whole incident before taking any action, wouldn't want that sort of thing to come back on you.


I was highlighting the double standard.



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17 Dec 2011, 11:34 pm

snapcap wrote:
Raptor wrote:
They tend to shoot dogs just for being there.
If it were my dog there would be payback.
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If someone killed one of their K-9s, they'd would be considered a felon and get at least 5 years in jail.


"It was for the officers' safety."

It's like Dox said, above. I've also read about a trend in police killing dogs/pets as a routine thing (when they serve a warrant). They claim it's a matter of officer safety -- even if the dog is in a cage in one case, IIRC. And since it's continuing there's apparently no penalties/charges/disciplinary action happening. There's also a trend of police serving *every* warrant as a no-knock (bash the door in, run in and scream at terrified people, and put weapons in their faces). Google "Jose Guerna" for an example of that.

The police need to be saved from themselves. This kind of stuff is earning all of them a reputation as being nothing more than thugs with badges.



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17 Dec 2011, 11:48 pm

There are some pretty lame stories of officers killing dogs

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eul8Bohn_Zk[/youtube]



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18 Dec 2011, 6:42 am

What the hell, yes kill peoples dogs for no real reason.........great job. I think I would be a little bit on the wanting to take revenge side if I had a dog and a cop decided to shoot it.


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18 Dec 2011, 6:48 am

I wonder if they would feel a need to shoot my cat, who is afraid of his own shadow, "for the officers' safety." :roll:



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18 Dec 2011, 11:13 am

Of course, the safety thing is just an excuse.
The underlying reason is to terrorize and provide a “total war” or “shock and awe” effect.



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18 Dec 2011, 9:58 pm

This is a(nother) blog about cops killing dogs. I tried googling "cops kill service dog" and got a lot more hits than I imagined I would.

http://www.dogmurderers.com/

You probably shouldn't read it if you don't want to end up p*ssed off or outraged.



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21 Dec 2011, 12:17 am

http://www.sunherald.com/2011/12/15/363 ... -bull.html


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24 Dec 2011, 6:50 pm

Raptor wrote:
They tend to shoot dogs just for being there.
If it were my dog there would be payback.
:evil:


Because it's "in their way". Yeah, if someone killed my dog or pet, they would be sorry.


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