Israel doesn't want Israeli's to marry American Jews?

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03 Dec 2011, 1:38 pm

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The Israeli government has launched an aggressive advertising campaign in the U.S. to discourage its expats from marrying American Jews—who some see as not really Jews at all.


So, American Jews aren't Jewish enough? I'm going to assume that they didn't really mean that. I'm going to assume that they are appealing to American Jewish guilt, which they could do, as there are a lot of Jews that have more of an allegiance to Israel, than America, and using that to influence the migration of America Jews to Israel. Could that actually work? Will an American Jew that migrates to Israel become a "Rael Jew"?



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03 Dec 2011, 2:17 pm

snapcap wrote:
The Daily Beast

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The Israeli government has launched an aggressive advertising campaign in the U.S. to discourage its expats from marrying American Jews—who some see as not really Jews at all.


So, American Jews aren't Jewish enough? I'm going to assume that they didn't really mean that. I'm going to assume that they are appealing to American Jewish guilt, which they could do, as there are a lot of Jews that have more of an allegiance to Israel, than America, and using that to influence the migration of America Jews to Israel. Could that actually work? Will an American Jew that migrates to Israel become a "Rael Jew"?


I haven't seen the ads which the Isreali government has launched myself but I have heard things like this before just from different people. I have heard that American Jews aren't really Jews or someone didn't like them saying they were Hebrew. But I have to say both my husband's spoke highly of Isrealis and Israel and how well they were treated and accepted when they were there. Some people may feel like that yes but I believe some other's don't. I haven't read enough about it or seen the ads for myself to form an opinon but thanks for posting this, it's very interesting and I'm looking forward to seeing what other's who do more about it say about it.


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03 Dec 2011, 2:58 pm

Taupey wrote:
snapcap wrote:
The Daily Beast

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The Israeli government has launched an aggressive advertising campaign in the U.S. to discourage its expats from marrying American Jews—who some see as not really Jews at all.


So, American Jews aren't Jewish enough? I'm going to assume that they didn't really mean that. I'm going to assume that they are appealing to American Jewish guilt, which they could do, as there are a lot of Jews that have more of an allegiance to Israel, than America, and using that to influence the migration of America Jews to Israel. Could that actually work? Will an American Jew that migrates to Israel become a "Rael Jew"?


I haven't seen the ads which the Isreali government has launched myself but I have heard things like this before just from different people. I have heard that American Jews aren't really Jews or someone didn't like them saying they were Hebrew. But I have to say both my husband's spoke highly of Isrealis and Israel and how well they were treated and accepted when they were there. Some people may feel like that yes but I believe some other's don't. I haven't read enough about it or seen the ads for myself to form an opinon but thanks for posting this, it's very interesting and I'm looking forward to seeing what other's who do more about it say about it.


Are Israelis forbidden by Israeli law from marrying Americans? Answer: No.

The people who are advising against "mixed marriages" are afraid that the Israeli partner will move out and back to the U.S.. Israel's loss. And from a strictly Orthodox p.o.v. most Israelis are not "really" Jewish in the sense that they are not all that observant, especially of the Sabbath. On Sabbath during the summer you will find most Israelis who are not on military duty out swimming in the sea. Some Sabbath observance that is!

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03 Dec 2011, 3:02 pm

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03 Dec 2011, 9:34 pm

And Israel wonders why so many people don't like them.


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04 Dec 2011, 12:25 am

I think this has to do with just how bad Obama has made US-Israeli relations. It's almost like Israel is concerned they may have to fight the United States and don't want a situation where people have to choose between family and country or family on one side vs family on the other.



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04 Dec 2011, 1:14 am

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I think this has to do with just how bad Obama has made US-Israeli relations. It's almost like Israel is concerned they may have to fight the United States and don't want a situation where people have to choose between family and country or family on one side vs family on the other.

The problem is not with the American public's opinion, Obama's got his head farther up his ass than usual lately.


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04 Dec 2011, 9:58 am

Inuyasha wrote:
I think this has to do with just how bad Obama has made US-Israeli relations. It's almost like Israel is concerned they may have to fight the United States and don't want a situation where people have to choose between family and country or family on one side vs family on the other.


Highly unlikely. The Israelis are quite aware of where their support comes from.

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05 Dec 2011, 10:49 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
I think this has to do with just how bad Obama has made US-Israeli relations. It's almost like Israel is concerned they may have to fight the United States and don't want a situation where people have to choose between family and country or family on one side vs family on the other.


Oh, it's all Obama's fault! He's conspiring with Bill Ayers to end a tried and true friendship with Israel in order to make Natalie Portman dance in her Black Swan tutu over the burned out ruins of Jerusalem! :P

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06 Dec 2011, 3:05 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
I think this has to do with just how bad Obama has made US-Israeli relations. It's almost like Israel is concerned they may have to fight the United States and don't want a situation where people have to choose between family and country or family on one side vs family on the other.


Oh, it's all Obama's fault! He's conspiring with Bill Ayers to end a tried and true friendship with Israel in order to make Natalie Portman dance in her Black Swan tutu over the burned out ruins of Jerusalem! :P

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Bill Ayers isn't the only radical tie Obama has.



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06 Dec 2011, 3:09 am

Inuyasha wrote:
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Inuyasha wrote:
I think this has to do with just how bad Obama has made US-Israeli relations. It's almost like Israel is concerned they may have to fight the United States and don't want a situation where people have to choose between family and country or family on one side vs family on the other.


Oh, it's all Obama's fault! He's conspiring with Bill Ayers to end a tried and true friendship with Israel in order to make Natalie Portman dance in her Black Swan tutu over the burned out ruins of Jerusalem! :P

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Bill Ayers isn't the only radical tie Obama has.


I was being facetious. In all seriousness, the only place where Obama is going to launch a war against Israel is in Glenn Beck's fevered imagination.

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06 Dec 2011, 3:16 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
I think this has to do with just how bad Obama has made US-Israeli relations. It's almost like Israel is concerned they may have to fight the United States and don't want a situation where people have to choose between family and country or family on one side vs family on the other.


Oh, it's all Obama's fault! He's conspiring with Bill Ayers to end a tried and true friendship with Israel in order to make Natalie Portman dance in her Black Swan tutu over the burned out ruins of Jerusalem! :P

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Bill Ayers isn't the only radical tie Obama has.


I was being facetious. In all seriousness, the only place where Obama is going to launch a war against Israel is in Glenn Beck's fevered imagination.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain is demanding that the Los Angeles Times release a videotape which could prove embarrassing for his Democratic rival Sen. Barack Obama. The tape reportedly shows Obama speaking of his friendship with former PLO spokesman Rashid Khalidi.
The LA Times reported in April 2008 that Sen. Obama attended a farewell party in 2003 honoring Khalidi. According to the report, Obama gave a speech at the event and spoke warmly of Khalidi. Khalidi was active on behalf of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) at a time when the PLO was a U.S.-designated terrorist group with a goal of destroying Israel.

Despite reporting on the event, the Times has refused to allow the public to see the videotape on which the report was based. "The Los Angeles Times did not publish the videotape because it was provided to us by a confidential source who did so on the condition that we not release it," editor Russ Stanton said in a press release. "The Times keeps its promises to sources." Times staffers also refused to provide a transcript of the tape.

In addition to Obama's speech praising Khalidi, the tape allegedly provides evidence that William Ayers attended the event. Obama has faced criticism for his ties to Ayers, who along with others founded the Weather Underground, a group that carried out bombings and jailbreaks in the US in the 1960s and 70s.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/128145



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06 Dec 2011, 3:30 am

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
I think this has to do with just how bad Obama has made US-Israeli relations. It's almost like Israel is concerned they may have to fight the United States and don't want a situation where people have to choose between family and country or family on one side vs family on the other.


Oh, it's all Obama's fault! He's conspiring with Bill Ayers to end a tried and true friendship with Israel in order to make Natalie Portman dance in her Black Swan tutu over the burned out ruins of Jerusalem! :P

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Bill Ayers isn't the only radical tie Obama has.


I was being facetious. In all seriousness, the only place where Obama is going to launch a war against Israel is in Glenn Beck's fevered imagination.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain is demanding that the Los Angeles Times release a videotape which could prove embarrassing for his Democratic rival Sen. Barack Obama. The tape reportedly shows Obama speaking of his friendship with former PLO spokesman Rashid Khalidi.
The LA Times reported in April 2008 that Sen. Obama attended a farewell party in 2003 honoring Khalidi. According to the report, Obama gave a speech at the event and spoke warmly of Khalidi. Khalidi was active on behalf of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) at a time when the PLO was a U.S.-designated terrorist group with a goal of destroying Israel.

Despite reporting on the event, the Times has refused to allow the public to see the videotape on which the report was based. "The Los Angeles Times did not publish the videotape because it was provided to us by a confidential source who did so on the condition that we not release it," editor Russ Stanton said in a press release. "The Times keeps its promises to sources." Times staffers also refused to provide a transcript of the tape.

In addition to Obama's speech praising Khalidi, the tape allegedly provides evidence that William Ayers attended the event. Obama has faced criticism for his ties to Ayers, who along with others founded the Weather Underground, a group that carried out bombings and jailbreaks in the US in the 1960s and 70s.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/128145


That hardly means that Obama is plotting to Destroy Israel. Guilt by association is plainly BS.
And wasn't this a faculty party? The president was probably just being polite to a college.

Now, I've gotta tell you, I have to hit the keyboard to work on a story - some of us have nonpaying jobs in the arts.

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06 Dec 2011, 1:20 pm

ruveyn wrote:
The people who are advising against "mixed marriages" are afraid that the Israeli partner will move out and back to the U.S.. Israel's loss.


QFT


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06 Dec 2011, 4:51 pm

As per the videoclip, "most of the ebb and flow between Israel and the US is of Israelis emigrating to the US ."

Of course, why would anybody choose to live in a war zone?


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08 Dec 2011, 4:44 pm

visagrunt wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
The people who are advising against "mixed marriages" are afraid that the Israeli partner will move out and back to the U.S.. Israel's loss.


QFT


That need not be a loss. Israel could just replace those jewish emigrants with Arabs and Africans. How about it?