Voter Fraud in Maine

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15 Feb 2012, 8:17 pm

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It maybe a straw poll, but the votes should count? Why wouldn't they count? Oh because that is what the establishment wants. :roll:

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15 Feb 2012, 11:06 pm

And the following news article:

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But things changed when the county was left out of the official results, said Senate President Kevin Raye, a Republican from the Washington County town of Perry.

"Everybody that I've talked to in Washington County is frustrated that our votes can't count," Raye said. "I predict that this turnout will be greater."

Raye said he personally urged Webster to recalculate the votes after this weekend's Washington County caucus. Even if the party doesn't add the numbers up, everybody else will, Raye said.

However, only state party officials now know the correct numbers to add up.

Some towns didn't report their numbers in time to be counted Saturday, while others did report but were not included because of clerical or computer problems in the rush to calculate the winner, Webster said.
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16 Feb 2012, 11:51 am

You are being fast and loose with the word, "fraud."

Fraud has a legal meaning: a statement made that the declarant knows to be false, reliance on that statement by another party, and injury to the party relying on the statement.

If I go to the United States and show up at a polling station saying, "I am a US Citizen," and a poll captain allows me to vote on that basis, I have committed voter fraud.

But what is spoken of here is the disallowance of votes cast. At the end of the day, it is the Republic Party that gets to decide how caucuses are counted and how delegates are selected. If precincts or entire state parties choose not to abide by those rules, they do so with their eyes open.

I have some sympathy for the town that could not hold its caucus because of weather. But suppose that event occurred on election day. Would Maine withhold its count on election day to allow those voters to cast their votes after the fact?

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16 Feb 2012, 4:20 pm

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If the votes didn't get counted like they were supposed to, that is fraud. I doubt it will make anyone feel better if it doesn't go to court. If the party allowed the problem to happen, then that's a part of the problem. People go into vote assuming that their vote will be counted for what they voted for, even though it is just a straw poll. Do you think delegates don't consider the straw poll at all?

Why is the straw poll held at all?

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16 Feb 2012, 6:06 pm

Ron Paul is secretly taking over the GOP

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17 Feb 2012, 5:35 pm

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No, it's not fraud. It may be improper--but that doesn't make it fraud.

Meanwhile, the party sets the rules and people participating are expected to know the rules.

Did 600 Democrats in Florida who failed to vote show up on November 7, 2000 get to turn up the following day and have their votes counted? No, they didn't. So a precinct that failed to conduct its caucus by the date fixed by the party is in no different a position. It might be unfair, it might be arbitrary. But it's not fraud, and your repetition of the assertion isn't going to change the meaning of the word.

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18 Feb 2012, 2:35 am

I know, it probably isn't fraud. But perhaps this might be construed as voter disenfranchisement?

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18 Feb 2012, 2:58 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

I know, it probably isn't fraud. But perhaps this might be construed as voter disenfranchisement?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I agree. Fraud is more deliberate...dead ppl voting is voter fraud, but ppl cant make it to the poles due to the weather is probably poor planning. However if an area that was highly for Ron Paul was completely snowed in and they removed the snow in all areas but that one area, then calling it fraud would be more plausable.

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19 Feb 2012, 4:06 pm

Whatever anyone says, voter fraud is a real deal and it shoud be a concern for everyone. There is a recall effort against the governor in my home state. A friend of mine who works for the Verify the Recall organization discovered my signature forged on a recall petition. Needless to say, being in the military, both local and military law enforcement are taking it seriously. Although the local police chief did ask me a favor. He asked that if I ever wind up encountering the guy they caught to be sure to leave the guy alive enough to talk.

The administration of the campaigner - in -chief has asked me to consider dropping the charges. I have politely declined. I don't believe the law should go easier on someone just because they're liberal.

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19 Feb 2012, 4:20 pm

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Sounds like you could write a book!

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19 Feb 2012, 6:40 pm

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And what state and governor might that be?

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19 Feb 2012, 10:12 pm

For military reasons I prefer to keep specific info on that confidential. I like to have a little buffer between the politicians and I. I can reveal my home state once I'm discharged if you like. But it looks like they're keeping me around for a few more years. But there are gubenatorial recalls going on. You're a smart boy. You'll figure it out.

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19 Feb 2012, 10:42 pm

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Well Longshanks, thank you for calling me a smart boy. I hope you weren't being disingenuously sarcastic. Otherwise my feelings would be really hurt. :cry:

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19 Feb 2012, 10:50 pm

You mean like the sarcasm I have to take from liberals that you told me not to take personally? I wouldn't have a clue as to what you mean.

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19 Feb 2012, 11:19 pm

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You mean like the sarcasm I have to take from liberals that you told me not to take personally? I wouldn't have a clue as to what you mean.

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Let me put it this way then, as an Aspie, it's often difficult for me to tell if something is sarcasm or not. So, I guess you'll just have to tell me.

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20 Feb 2012, 8:28 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Longshanks wrote:

You mean like the sarcasm I have to take from liberals that you told me not to take personally? I wouldn't have a clue as to what you mean.

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Let me put it this way then, as an Aspie, it's often difficult for me to tell if something is sarcasm or not. So, I guess you'll just have to tell me.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Dont worry, I am confused too.

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