New Definition of Autism May Exclude Many (NYTimes Article)

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19 Jan 2012, 6:10 pm

New York Times article on effects of redefining autism in the DSM.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/20/healt ... ml?_r=1&hpNYTimes Article

Looks like many of us diagnosed with PDD-NOS and Aspergers syndrome will no longer be considered "autistic."



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19 Jan 2012, 6:13 pm

I think people who claim over diagnosis are talking s**t. If it means people with Asperger and PDD-NOS won't get helped, then it's the biggest pile of steaming dung ever.


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19 Jan 2012, 6:26 pm

I think it's absolutely bullsh**. I wonder sometimes if insurance companies are in bed with the people who decide this crap. How can you say it doesn't exist? Apparently under the new revisions only 45% of the highest functioning people with autism would even be considered autistic. It makes me angry. Who benefits from this besides insurance companies?



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19 Jan 2012, 7:03 pm

“The proposed changes would put an end to the autism epidemic,”

Complete BS. They're not changing anything except the ability to recognize it. See...a lot of people wonder why so many more people are getting diagnosed. Rather than launch inquiries into what could be causing differences/changes our brain function that have led to the so called epidemic, they plan to pretend that it doesn't exist.



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19 Jan 2012, 7:36 pm

i used to fit the diagnosis for AS. under the new criteria, i still have mild autism.



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19 Jan 2012, 8:08 pm

I haven't been able to get on the dsm 5's page to see the new criteria...I think there's just too many people searching. Anyone have a link?



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19 Jan 2012, 8:22 pm

PersephoneX wrote:
“The proposed changes would put an end to the autism epidemic,”

Complete BS. They're not changing anything except the ability to recognize it. See...a lot of people wonder why so many more people are getting diagnosed. Rather than launch inquiries into what could be causing differences/changes our brain function that have led to the so called epidemic, they plan to pretend that it doesn't exist.

That's the key thing. These kids---who will grow up and become adults---are different and don't fit in well with the tightly conformist school and work environments.

And I very much think it's better to recognize this than pretend like it doesn't exist.



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19 Jan 2012, 8:26 pm

AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:
PersephoneX wrote:
“The proposed changes would put an end to the autism epidemic,”

Complete BS. They're not changing anything except the ability to recognize it. See...a lot of people wonder why so many more people are getting diagnosed. Rather than launch inquiries into what could be causing differences/changes our brain function that have led to the so called epidemic, they plan to pretend that it doesn't exist.

That's the key thing. These kids---who will grow up and become adults---are different and don't fit in well with the tightly conformist school and work environments.

And I very much think it's better to recognize this than pretend like it doesn't exist.



Agreed! "It's not convenient, so let's pretend it's not there." Someone must be benefiting from such a choice, but, it certainly isn't autistic people. (So who is it?)



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19 Jan 2012, 8:28 pm

To some extent, the "professionals" who don't want to be accused of exaggerating and therefore become too timid.

The schools who don't want more case load.

And yes, probably the doggone insurance companies.



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19 Jan 2012, 8:30 pm

“ . . . Under the current criteria a person can qualify for the diagnosis by exhibiting six or more of 12 behaviors; under the proposed definition, the person would have to exhibit three deficits in social interaction and communication and at least two repetitive behaviors — a much narrower menu. . . ”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/20/healt ... ml?_r=2&hp
(mid-way down)

So here’s the sad-tragic-comedic-infuriating thing all at once. We have a spectrum, then we immediately put on these rigid requirements.

What if the person having trouble has 5 of the 12 behaviors ? ? ?

PS There was actually a pro-aspie spoof definition which I thought was better than DSM-IV! Will try and find it.



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19 Jan 2012, 8:36 pm

Here's the spoof rewrite. Better than the original!

Awe-tistic rewrite of DSM-IV. Love it!
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt176628.html
“(E) An altogether eccentric form of social and emotional reciprocity that insists upon fairness, directness, sensitivity, tolerance, substance, acceptance of difference, and mutually interesting subject matter”

http://www.journeyswithautism.com/2009/ ... or-autism/



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19 Jan 2012, 8:39 pm

AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:
Here's the spoof rewrite. Better than the original!

Awe-tistic rewrite of DSM-IV. Love it!
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt176628.html
“(E) An altogether eccentric form of social and emotional reciprocity that insists upon fairness, directness, sensitivity, tolerance, substance, acceptance of difference, and mutually interesting subject matter”

http://www.journeyswithautism.com/2009/ ... or-autism/



LOL That was great! :D



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19 Jan 2012, 8:45 pm

Similar to gay rights organizations, we need to build our own organizations and provide advocacy and services, and not rely on the quote-unquote "professionals."

Another example might be shelters for battered persons, which I understand were controversial at the time ("encouraging women to leave their husbands") and now are accepted as mainstream.

So, eventually we can build United Way type agencies, where we have enough money that we have to do it right, hire accountants, have financial transparency, and matter-of-factly acknowledge mistakes when we make them.

And, say, we might have a nine-member board of directors, where six of the members are adults on the spectrum and/or parents, and three of the members are various kinds of professionals. That is, good-hearted professionals can help out, but they can't run the show.



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19 Jan 2012, 8:45 pm

PersephoneX wrote:
AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:
Here's the spoof rewrite. Better than the original!

Awe-tistic rewrite of DSM-IV. Love it!
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt176628.html
“(E) An altogether eccentric form of social and emotional reciprocity that insists upon fairness, directness, sensitivity, tolerance, substance, acceptance of difference, and mutually interesting subject matter”

http://www.journeyswithautism.com/2009/ ... or-autism/



LOL That was great! :D

Thank you! :jocolor:



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19 Jan 2012, 8:49 pm

PersephoneX wrote:
“The proposed changes would put an end to the autism epidemic,”

Complete BS. They're not changing anything except the ability to recognize it. See...a lot of people wonder why so many more people are getting diagnosed. Rather than launch inquiries into what could be causing differences/changes our brain function that have led to the so called epidemic, they plan to pretend that it doesn't exist.


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19 Jan 2012, 10:14 pm

Honestly I don't think the New York Times really knows what they are talking about, there is nothing factual in the article other then that people are concerned about the changes.......they don't even have any specific reasons listed for the concern.


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