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24 Jan 2012, 1:22 am

Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers

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Many people came together to protest SOPA and PIPA last week, in fact, it was the largest online protest in history and helped lead to SOPA and PIPA being tabled (for the time being). Of course, with these bills being tabled should not come peace. The most obvious course is for legislators to add the most offensive parts of SOPA and PIPA to another bill and quickly pass it.


So how do you vote this down without looking like you support sexualizing kids?

Reminds me of other bill names, like the Patriot Act. Whoever doesn't vote for it is a Commie! :roll:


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24 Jan 2012, 1:49 am

I wish there was a perfectly constitutional way to just get rid of all the child and animal love sites out there, while still keeping everyone else's freaky deaky nonsense for weirdos to scavenge through. But there isn't... is there...?


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24 Jan 2012, 2:17 am

Think that's bad (which it is, don't get me wrong)? ACTA is an international version of SOPA. Too bad no seems to give a s*** about that as much, even though it affects most of the western world and is on verge of being ratified. :roll:

Sorry about that, but yeah there's quite a few bills out there as bad as SOPA. The fight is far from over, it's only begun.


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24 Jan 2012, 2:43 am

SOPA and PIPA, as others have speculated will be tacked on to this bill and passed by a large margin...

not much you can do about that, in the face of the mostly internet illiterate voting block...



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24 Jan 2012, 4:35 am

We're in a lot of trouble as America slowly becomes a police state. You know, for all the hype in this country about freedom and liberty, there really isn't very much freedom here. Everywhere you turn there's some petty rule or law that you have to abide by. It's like government always tries to keep their thumb down over you.



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24 Jan 2012, 4:59 am

I think the entertainment industry has just demonstrated that they don't need SOPA to take down sites for no reason.



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24 Jan 2012, 12:58 pm

If none of these bills get passed, I'm sure they'll have a bill called, "Pass this, or else all babies will be born with AIDS"


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24 Jan 2012, 1:47 pm

The tech companies have shown they can play hardball, and the Government has shown that they will not take no for an answer. I predict this will turn into an internet war of sorts, and whoever can buy or coerce the most politicians will win.


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24 Jan 2012, 2:06 pm

snapcap wrote:
If none of these bills get passed, I'm sure they'll have a bill called, "Pass this, or else all babies will be born with AIDS"

I think they discovered that works a long time ago. :)



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24 Jan 2012, 3:29 pm

Why have people surrendered the agenda to the distributors?

We are seeing a succession of industry-driven agendas, that lead directly to industry-oriented legislation.

But meanwhile all that people on the other side of the argument are doing is saying, "No." Any negotiator will tell you that this is a hopeless strategy. Successful negotiations are those that address interests rather than positions. If all you can do is take the position that protecting copyright holders' interests is bad, then you will eventually lose, because the courts will enforce those interests--and you will have another Napster shutdown on your hands.

So why isn't Google in up to its elbows proposing alternatives? Why doesn't Microsoft have a team of lawyers sitting down drafting ideas for how the industry's interests can be met, without sacrificing internet freedom? Of if they are (and I am sure that they are), why aren't they talking about it?


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24 Jan 2012, 3:31 pm

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So why isn't Google in up to its elbows proposing alternatives? Why doesn't Microsoft have a team of lawyers sitting down drafting ideas for how the industry's interests can be met, without sacrificing internet freedom? Of if they are (and I am sure that they are), why aren't they talking about it?


Maybe because they don't really care about internet freedom. Maybe that is the object of interest.


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24 Jan 2012, 3:50 pm

:roll:

Of course.

With ACTA also just about to be passed, then if nothing significant of a positive, paranormal nature happens towards the end of 2012 (which I'm rather sure won't), I'm killing myself sometime in the beginning of 2013. Just too tired of this world, and want to end up in a better world. Then again, if civil war, relating to these things, somehow breaks out, I suppose I'll take part in it, fighting against the oppressors... but I really doubt that will happen.


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24 Jan 2012, 10:48 pm

Beauty_pact wrote:
:roll:

Then again, if civil war, relating to these things, somehow breaks out, I suppose I'll take part in it, fighting against the oppressors...


That's how I'm going out. Even if I get filthy rich, I'm going guns blazing out. I'm not a lay down kind of guy.


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24 Jan 2012, 10:51 pm

Nexus wrote:
Think that's bad (which it is, don't get me wrong)? ACTA is an international version of SOPA. Too bad no seems to give a s*** about that as much, even though it affects most of the western world and is on verge of being ratified. :roll:

Sorry about that, but yeah there's quite a few bills out there as bad as SOPA. The fight is far from over, it's only begun.


Wait wtf? how does that work...who is trying to pass this exactly? I guess we have a world government now or something?


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24 Jan 2012, 10:54 pm

NextFact wrote:
We're in a lot of trouble as America slowly becomes a police state. You know, for all the hype in this country about freedom and liberty, there really isn't very much freedom here. Everywhere you turn there's some petty rule or law that you have to abide by. It's like government always tries to keep their thumb down over you.


True....and I used to say this country was starting to resemble a police state back when I was in high school and everyone just told me how stupid I was for believing such a great democratic nation was going down hill and now its quite clear that it is.


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24 Jan 2012, 10:59 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Nexus wrote:
Think that's bad (which it is, don't get me wrong)? ACTA is an international version of SOPA. Too bad no seems to give a s*** about that as much, even though it affects most of the western world and is on verge of being ratified. :roll:

Sorry about that, but yeah there's quite a few bills out there as bad as SOPA. The fight is far from over, it's only begun.


Wait wtf? how does that work...who is trying to pass this exactly? I guess we have a world government now or something?


It's an international treaty signed by various governments including nearly the entire EU, U.S, Australia, etc, most of the western world practically. From what I read, ACTA bypasses senate as it's signed as a sole executive agreement. It only needs Obama's signature to ratify it and make it become U.S law.


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