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31 May 2012, 9:21 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18283637 My opinon is you may never see a democracy in China any time soon.

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01 Jun 2012, 6:03 pm

Joker wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18283637 My opinon is you may never see a democracy in China any time soon.

Chinese democracy is like Chinese food. Two hours later and you don't know you even had it.

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02 Jun 2012, 1:32 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Joker wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18283637 My opinon is you may never see a democracy in China any time soon.

Chinese democracy is like Chinese food. Two hours later and you don't know you even had it.

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Exactly.

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02 Jun 2012, 3:03 pm

Even if China slowly changes from a Authoritarian "communist" country to a democratic society, the political culture will still remain. When the Chinese Communist Party to control of China, they're merely changed one system of emperorship to another. While there has been great social change in china after Mao's acention, there was no real political change. If China transitions to democracy, the real transition: The transition of one culture to another will take a lot longer to uproot.

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03 Jun 2012, 3:11 am

A dictatorship cannot survive indefinitely.
I think that the economic growth in China can't continue indefinitely.
With a higher life standart the Chinese people could try to get better education, and to get more interested in politics.
If the economic growth ends, the people would become unhappy and try to fight for there rights.
In my view it is only a question of time.

But the result of a revolution must not be democracy.

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09 Jun 2012, 2:32 pm

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A dictatorship may not last forever, but the Roman Empire is proof that it can still last a good, long time.

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09 Jun 2012, 6:39 pm

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Aelfwine wrote:

A dictatorship may not last forever, but the Roman Empire is proof that it can still last a good, long time.

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The Roman Empire was not always a dictatorship.

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09 Jun 2012, 8:53 pm

Joker wrote:

The Roman Empire was not always a dictatorship.

The so-called Republic was a power sharing measure to put off revolution. It was not truly democratic and the fat cats still ran Rome even under the (so-called) Republic. Review the history of Pompeii Magnus and how he got to run Rome until he was undone by Julius Caesar who ended up running Rome even when it was a Republic. He was granted executive powers by the Senate for life which led to has assassination. But to no avail. The thugs Marc Antony and Octavian took over anyway. People who would not play along were murdered.

Rome was an oligarchy long before it became an Impereum.

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09 Jun 2012, 8:54 pm

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Chinese democracy is like Chinese food.

I bet proper Chinese food isn't like that.

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09 Jun 2012, 9:02 pm

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Joker wrote:

The Roman Empire was not always a dictatorship.

True but their are parts of the Roman Empire that was in fact some what democratic.

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09 Jun 2012, 9:49 pm

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True but their are parts of the Roman Empire that was in fact some what democratic.

Only in a trivial way. There were elections. But power was exercised in an irresponsible manner and the laws of Rome were inadequate to right wrongs and restore justice. The big operators literally got away with murder.

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09 Jun 2012, 9:54 pm

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True but their are parts of the Roman Empire that was in fact some what democratic.

They didn't teach that in School. Glad I know that now.

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10 Jun 2012, 5:42 am

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Longshanks wrote:

A dictatorship may not last forever, but the Roman Empire is proof that it can still last a good, long time.

The differences to Rome are the modern communication, better education and democratic trading partners.
All this supports democracy.

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Only in a trivial way. There were elections. But power was exercised in an irresponsible manner and the laws of Rome were inadequate to right wrongs and restore justice. The big operators literally got away with murder.

I think that Rome was a republic but not a democracy.

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10 Jun 2012, 8:25 am

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I think that Rome was a republic but not a democracy.

That it was.

And Athen's the "democracy" was governed by only 1/6 of its population. Women, foreigners and slaves were not allowed to vote.

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10 Jun 2012, 8:54 am

Rome has accomplished much more under its dictatorship than it did with its senators.

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10 Jun 2012, 9:09 am

One of the strangest things about China, at least from my perspective, is that it has an large diaspora living in Western democracies. And most of my Chinese friends occasionally go back to China to visit their relatives. Because of this apparent normality, I sometimes forget that it is a repressive one-party state.

Compare this to the received wisdom about North Korea. Don't people often say that North Korea can only maintain its grip on the populace because it does not allow them to visit the outside world?

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