Secret vote on ACTA to be held in the EU on the 21st of June

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16 Jun 2012, 10:21 am

Link: http://acta.ffii.org/?p=1472

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According to Marietje Schaake, member of the European Parliament’s International Trade committee (INTA), there is a rumor that there will be a request for a secret vote on ACTA. See her tweet.

First we had the INTA committee keeping the legal service’s opinion on ACTA secret. After the Legal Affairs committee decided to publish it, the Chairman of the INTA committee made it secret again.

Then Commissioner De Gucht invited himself to the INTA committee, to address the committee just before the ACTA vote. It is unclear whether members of the Parliament will be allowed to speak after De Gucht.

And now we may even have a secret vote on ACTA. After years of secrecy, a secret committee vote?

The vote will take place on 21 June.

Update: Secret ballots are possible under EP Rules of Procedure 196 in combination with RoP 169. It takes one-fifth of the component Members.

169.2: “Voting may also be by secret ballot if this is requested by at least one-fifth of the component Members of Parliament. Such requests must be made before voting begins.

When a request for a secret ballot is submitted by at least one fifth of the component Members of Parliament before voting begins, Parliament must hold such a vote.”

Secret ballots are very unusual, except for appointments.


(Links to sources in the original text.)

The original date of the vote was meant to be between the 2nd to the 5th of July, but why that is being changed to earlier is perhaps not that difficult to guess.

For those unaware of what ACTA is, here is a good site about it: www.stopacta.com - ACTA is a Draconian, Internet-crippling law that absolutely must be stopped.


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16 Jun 2012, 10:41 am

If that's true, it's hardly a surprise. It's the European Union's type of democracy - if they want something done, and a giant majority of the population opposes it, they just do it secretly. Recently, the debate about flooding a tiny patch of land was much more heated than the debate about signing away in excess of €8000 per capita in guarantees to a European fund that's going to be empty within two years, and defaulted on within ten. Everyone knows the money is lost, and the politicians lied in the exact same way they did about financial aid to Greece two years ago. The exact same wording was used: "we'll get all of it back, and we trust them".

For an organisation that keeps moaning about democracy in other countries like the coward it is, it's disturbingly weak and undemocratic itself. As I've said before, it's like giving Zimbabwe's government access to the budget of the United States. They're just throwing more and more money at it, even though everyone knows it's lost by now, that Greece will collapse, that Spain and Portugal won't be able to cope, and that all money we've poured into them previously is completely lost.

This rumour fits right in with that - appeasing 'the financial markets' by punishing the population against their will.



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16 Jun 2012, 11:12 am

HisDivineMajesty wrote:
If that's true, it's hardly a surprise. It's the European Union's type of democracy - if they want something done, and a giant majority of the population opposes it, they just do it secretly.


If you do a bit research on ACTA, you would find that both Bush and Obama have refused to release to the American public the text of ACTA.

If you do a bit of research on how the EU works, a secret vote in this case is moot as in order to pass it requires unanimous support from all member states. It is impossible for politicians to secretly pretend they didn't back it under those circumstances.

The Dutch House of Representatives have already ruled against ACTA and forbidden the Dutch government from ever signing either ACTA or any similar treaties. (Thanks HDM!)

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/201 ... -rejection

http://www.independent.com.mt/news.asp? ... mid=145723

4 out of 4 advisory committees have already voted and recommend to the parliament that it doesn't ratify ACTA, there have been protests in several European countries (more Germans took to the streets to kill ACTA than to protest about Greek bailouts) and an unprecedented 2.5 million signature petition got dumped on the EP's doorstep.

ACTA is dead in the water in it's current form, too many politicians have elections coming up to be that unpopular to drive it through against the will of the people and it's own committees.

Want to take the opposite side of that bet? :wink:



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16 Jun 2012, 12:02 pm

Not at all. This one will fail. However, the European Union, in the long term - unless it collapses before that - will try to push those rules through very quietly, in several rounds if it has to. The Dutch voted against it, certainly - but that hasn't stopped the European Union from having those provisions passed before. In one case, we voted against a constitution in a referendum by a very clear majority, even after eurofetishist parties had made ads saying we'd be facing war and genocide unless we voted in favour. After that, they put most of the provisions in 'The Treaty of Lisbon' and had our parliament pass it quietly.

It's the preferred method of democracy for the European Union, because the European Union can't count on support from its inhabitants. Luckily, most legislation they pass can be passed without speaking to one ordinary civilian.



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16 Jun 2012, 12:35 pm

Depressingly, I have to agree with you.

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16 Jun 2012, 1:10 pm

Instead of people telling their governments they don't want this, they need to think about going on the offensive and asking their reps. to push legislation that stops this from happening. They are eventually going to lose if they don't.


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