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29 Jun 2012, 12:44 am

The U.S. House of Representatives voted Thursday to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress over his failure to provide Congress with subpoenaed Operation Fast and Furious documents.

Seventeen Democrats joined most House Republicans in the effort to hold Holder in contempt. Two Republicans — Virginia Rep. Scott Rigell and Ohio Rep. Steve LaTourette — voted against the measure and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi led a walkout of many members of her caucus.

Pelosi held the hand of House oversight committee ranking member Rep. Elijah Cummings — one of Holder’s most ardent defenders — on the way out.

Holder is now in criminal contempt of Congress.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/28/hes-in-contempt-house-votes-to-hold-holder-in-contempt-of-congress
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I normally don't pay much attention to Ann Coulter, but I do think she summarizes the operation rather well, for those of you unfamiliar with it,
http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-the-biggest-scandal-in-us-history

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29 Jun 2012, 2:40 am

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I normally don't pay much attention to Ann Coulter, but I do think she summarizes the operation rather well, for those of you unfamiliar with it,
http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-the-biggest-scandal-in-us-history :cheers:

Ann Coulter is in full paranoid mode. There is no conspiracy to take away guns from Americans by liberals. Just a drive to have a modicum of responsibility among gun dealers.
And I don't care is American fire arms used by Mexican drug gangs constitute ninety percent of not. The fact is, even before this Fast and Furious idiotic scheme, American guns were being sold by less than honest gun dealers in this country to the bad guys.
And no, before you jump on my case, I never said all American gun dealers were dishonest or somehow guilty. In fact, I'll wager that the great majority of them are pretty decent.

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29 Jun 2012, 6:01 am

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Okay, though outright forged background checks and guns being sold out the back door no questions asked is extremely rare. Every year dealers are audited to see that the number of guns they bought equals the number of approved purchases plus inventory. For example Red Jacket (Sons of Guns) lost their license over a few missing guns but were not prosecuted because it was a screw-up. They had to scramble to find a new business partner to hold their license and take responsibility for the audit or else they would have been finished. A dealer that didn't have any problems can be spot-checked once a year. Despite senator Feinstein's fishing, during hearings before the scandal broke neither the US marshals, DEA, border patrol, or even ATF (apparently people not privy to F&F) requested a gun ban or registry. The people that set foot in the field (and weren't co-conspirators) said the laws are fine and they want more resources to better carry out their existing jobs.

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29 Jun 2012, 12:45 pm

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I should have been more explanatory. When I was referring to dishonest gun dealers, I was getting more at the illegal kind who don't undergo government checks.

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01 Jul 2012, 9:12 pm

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Just a drive to have a modicum of responsibility among gun dealers.

Disregarding everything else, lets just touch on this.
I don't know what your experience is with firearms transactions but I've been on the buyer side of quite a few in several locations including gun shows.
I've never on any purchase seen an FFL holder (a dealer) cut corners in any step in a transfer.
Like John Browning said, they are subject to inspection/audit at any time and the penalties are stiff.
To be careless with a transfer is courting disaster in a business sense not to mention the criminal prosecution potential.
It's not totally fool proof and never can be.....

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01 Jul 2012, 9:23 pm

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John_Browning wrote:

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Just a drive to have a modicum of responsibility among gun dealers.

And there are no dishonorable gun dealers, then?

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01 Jul 2012, 9:30 pm

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Raptor wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

John_Browning wrote:

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Just a drive to have a modicum of responsibility among gun dealers.

And there are no dishonorable gun dealers, then?

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Of course there are but it's not what some make it out to be and also it's why I added this to the end of my last:

"It's not totally fool proof and never can be....."

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01 Jul 2012, 9:34 pm

Raptor wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

John_Browning wrote:

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Just a drive to have a modicum of responsibility among gun dealers.

And there are no dishonorable gun dealers, then?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Of course there are but it's not what some make it out to be and also it's why I added this to the end of my last:

"It's not totally fool proof and never can be....."

Incidentally, I never said most gun dealers were crooked. Most, I admit, are legitimate businessmen.

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01 Jul 2012, 9:36 pm

I am way ahead of Congress. I have held Holder in contempt since he was appointed.

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04 Jul 2012, 1:32 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

John_Browning wrote:

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Just a drive to have a modicum of responsibility among gun dealers.

And there are no dishonorable gun dealers, then?

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A lot less till the government got in to the gun running business.

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04 Jul 2012, 1:43 am

None before that? None who don't make money on the sly selling guns to the bad guys?

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04 Jul 2012, 7:30 am

And why are we celebrating this? Another sad chapter in American politics.

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04 Jul 2012, 11:55 am

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None before that? None who don't make money on the sly selling guns to the bad guys?

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You mean those who import guns illegally or steal them and sell them to felons or minors? I'm not sure I'd consider those actual gun dealers. That's like considering someone a pharmacist when they import prescriptions illegally or steal them and sell them.

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04 Jul 2012, 4:16 pm

The US government has a long standing history of selling weapons to whom ever appears in there best interest the change is they tried to pin it on citizens this time and got caught.

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05 Jul 2012, 1:48 am

noname_ever wrote:

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None before that? None who don't make money on the sly selling guns to the bad guys?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

There are bad people in every profession, but I never said that all gun dealers encompassed all such persons. For the right to claim that all gun dealers are lily white is ridiculous.

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08 Jul 2012, 4:04 am

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None before that? None who don't make money on the sly selling guns to the bad guys?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Bill, you just need to turn that little partisan in your head off for this one and LISTEN.

Gun dealing is a highly regulated industry, you really have no idea of the amount of paperwork and tracking involved in operating a firearms business, and diverting any number of guns to illegal buyers is not just risky but cumbersome and difficult and extremely easy to catch. EVERY gun coming in is serial numbered and recorded, EVERY gun going out has it's own set of forms and paperwork, and the ATF can come in at ANY TIME and make sure both sets of paperwork match up, otherwise you could be looking at legal charges. All gun shops have to follow the same strict set of regulations, as do any FFL holders whether they're working out of a brick and mortar shop or working a counter at a gun show. Now a guy buying and selling guns out of the trunk of his car has no such requirements, but that's not the type of "gun dealer" we're talking about here, and not the type involved in the F&F scandal either. Read the dealer emails begging the ATF to assure them that the guns aren't going to the bad guys, and then read the internal ATF emails about using the trace results from F&F guns to justify new reporting rules for those same dealers; it's pretty clear what's going on.

Face it, the ATF was dirty, very dirty, on this whole thing, and your boy Holder is neck deep in it.

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