Train De-railment

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http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013 ... manno.html

sounds like a false flag and the oil companies and rail companies should be blamed...

no respect for safety of dangerous explosive oil

It does seem pretty sketchy. Maybe sabotage even? Been hearing about a couple of chemical plant and oil explosions in North America lately....

Why does it sound like a false flag?
False flags are used as a pretext for an unrelated action such as 911 giving the excuse to invade multiple Middle Eastern countries and curtail American Citizens rights with the pre-written Patriot Act.
I haven't seen them blaming Iran or "terrorists" for this?

Of course you might mean its sabotage such as used for an insurance claim, but that wouldnt be called a False Flag.

There are people using this to promote pipelines...

As much as I HATE conspiracy theories, there is the fact that the Westinghouse Air Brake employed on rail car designs requires pressurization to remove the brakes and allow the wheels to turn. If, as reports indicate, the engine had been shut off, the air within the main brake line would have bled off, the brakes would have been applied, and the wheels would have been unable to turn.

Somehow, the main brake line remained pressurized, or was re-pressurized, and the train rolled downhill.

Each car has its own reservoir, so that it would take not only the pressure in the main brake line to bleed off, but the air pressure in each one of the rail cars that went rolling down the line.

The only other scenario that I can think of is that either each reservoir was deliberately drained, or that the entire brake system was in such disrepair that the reservoirs could not maintain pressure to hold the brakes. In either case, someone either failed to manually set the brakes, or they were set, and someone deliberately un-set them.

Occam's Razor would indicate poor maintenance and general stupidity, rather than a conspiracy, so I'm hoping that I'm wrong.

Would someone PLEASE prove me wrong?

Last edited by Fnord on 09 Jul 2013, 2:45 pm, edited 2 times in total.

I had also been thinking Sabotage, but it appears to be ineptitude instead. There was a fire on one of the Units pulling the train, and the units turned off, which caused the air to leak from the lines, which were left wide open. What should have been done is that the air coupling at the head of the consist should have been turned off, manual brakes set on a few of the cars lowest in elevation, and the units detached from the consist.

I think Quebec also has a separatist problem, which means there is a possibility of them getting violent, like certain groups in Northern Ireland have done a lot of in the past.

I didnt know that, however, I think by now if it was a genuine terrorist event, somebody would have claimed responsibility, if it was a false flag the blame would have been attributed by now, on 911 for instance, they blamed Bin Laden before the buildings had even fallen down.

News just in:-

Lac-Megantic, Quebec (CNN) -- Canadian authorities have found evidence that a criminal act may have led to a train crash in Lac-Megantic, Quebec, that killed at least 15 people, provincial police Capt. Michel Forget said Tuesday.

There have been many questions about the crash and explosion that wiped out a swath of the town 130 miles east of Montreal. As of Tuesday evening, 35 people were still missing, Forget said.

Authorities offered no further details about the case but said it was not caused by terrorism.

"I will not speculate on the elements that we have recovered," Forget told reporters.

Most of the people opposed to this in Maine (This particular train cuts across Northern Maine to get to the refinery in the Canadian Maritimes) are quite vocal in their opposition to tar sands oil being shipped through the state, and I was thinking at first that it would be Earth First! type crazies.

However I am more inclined to believe that it was negligence on the part of the crew who powered off the unit consist. They should have known better to have consulted the RR Engineer before powering off the Unit consist. --Hence Criminal Negligence seems to be a sufficient charge unless proven otherwise.

There have been no major violence linked to the separatist movement since 1970!

Could be that the engineer took a shortcut by not setting the manual brakes on the cars, relying on the train's air brake to hold the train for the few hours until the next engineer showed up. But when the firefighters shut down the locomotive, the air brake was soon no longer enough to hold the train on the incline.

From a report today
"Investigators are also looking at a fire on the same train just hours before the disaster. A fire official has said the train's power was shut down as standard operating procedure, meaning the train's air brakes would have been disabled. In that case, hand brakes on individual train cars would have been needed"

This is at odds with what Fnord (and common sense) would suggest should be the case; if power was removed the train should not move!

The system should be failsafe. The head of the company is epicly failing his responsibility by blaming the engineer. He's missing the point..people make mistakes and always will, the point of fail-safe measures in modern systems is to mitigate those human errors.

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I hope this wasn't a deliberate act; so far it seems to be an accident. But time will tell.

Although I haven't lived in Quebec for many years, this story touches me, as I was born in Sherbrooke- not far from the site of the derailment. The infrastructure in Quebec is terrible. Bridges are collapsing and roads need attention. I don't know if this incident is linked to that, but it's awful that this happened.