what is happening to our country? this is unimaginable!

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auntblabby
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06 Nov 2013, 9:18 pm

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The War on Drugs became a War on Citizens some time ago. This shouldn't be at all surprising.

Don't forget the guy in Los Angeles County who was shot and killed in his house only because the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department was hoping to find drugs so they could seize the property. There was no evidence, not even any articuable suspicion, that he might actually have drugs.



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06 Nov 2013, 9:25 pm

Just the thought of this makes me clench my butt cheeks which would then lead to this!
Well if a woman can get eighty-seven hundred billion dollars for spilling coffee then this guy sure deserves something.


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06 Nov 2013, 9:32 pm

I hope the guy knows there is a big fat target on his hide now, I suspect every badge in that berg will be gunning for him. IOW he needs to have moved lock stock and barrel out of that corrupt county, if he knows what is good for him.



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06 Nov 2013, 9:45 pm

Stunned.



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06 Nov 2013, 9:48 pm

The sad reality is this... the guy will probably get nothing. I know nothing about the law down there. My understanding of the border services in Canada is that if a Customs or Border services officer suspects you of smuggling drugs into the country (concealed in your car), they have the right to take apart your vehicle for a search. If they find nothing, you may not even get the car repaired at the expense of the government, and no insurance company covers "car seized by Customs" in your insurance policy.

I do think the hospital bills shouldn't be billed to the victim here. That just seems like adding insult to injury here.


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06 Nov 2013, 10:03 pm

Pretty much everybody at Daily Kos actively campaigns for more government. Well, there it is: more government.



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06 Nov 2013, 10:28 pm

As far as authoritarian police tactics go, things are getting worse all over. But New Mexico seems to be especially bad. I've noticed in my travels there that speed limits are ridiculously low, and they have heavy police enforcement.



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06 Nov 2013, 10:41 pm

Forgive my ignorance but......what's the story for this?



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06 Nov 2013, 11:18 pm

micfranklin wrote:
Forgive my ignorance but......what's the story for this?

innocent man nabbed by corrupt cops for "pinching his cheeks" and subject to official anal rape under guise of finding drugs.



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07 Nov 2013, 1:27 am

Great googly moogly. 8O

When I read the OP, I thought: "Well, at least that's preferable to a manually-executed cavity search"

Then I read the linked story.

Stopped because of a minor traffic violation and then arrested because of an officer's subjective but allegedly-justifiable perception that the now-suspect's buttocks were clenched and that same officer's equally-subjective and supposedly-logical and inferrable (and allegedly-legally/procedurally justifiable) suspicions that the subject was therefore carrying something concealed in his rectum, a suspicion that was (without any objective justification) immediately elevated into an interpretation that was simultaneously self-justified by being subjectively-inferred as a virtual certainty (by virtue of the same officer's belief that his subjective conclusion was with overwhelmingly probability both legally and ethically justifiable and (regardless of such preceding considerations) potentially provably-correct, all this chain of thought being self-perceived as acceptable by the officer's individual understanding of any and all relevant procedurally and/or socially objective and acceptable standards) resulting in the same officer's presumption that the man was concealing something presumed to be illegal drugs in his rectum?

Forcibly delivered three successive enemas and forced to void his bowels in front of observers?

Repeatedly X-rayed with negative results?

All of this being implemented and observed by medical practitioners irrelevant to the standardised expectations of evidence-oriented law-enforcement procedures, who initially protested at the inappropriateness of the arresting officer's demands, while the supposed suspect was detained outside lawful procedure until the medical practitioners eventually and reluctantly decided to comply with the professionally and legally and ethically-unacceptable expectations that were being continuously and unrelentingly placed on them?

And then they BILLED HIM?

I generally have little respect or time for the currently-prevalent practices of 'ambulance-chasing' lawyers, but in this particular case I hope the hapless (and several-times proven innocent, should his right to the presumption of innocence be regarded as under any doubt) arrestee is induced or encouraged to commence legal proceedings against every single identifiable individual or group of individuals, and against any and all participatory state and/or private bodies or organisations involved wholly or partially in his mistreatment from start to finish of his experience, and that he is eventually awarded an unimaginably-huge cumulative total of overall compensation composed of numerous sums of instance-specific compensation appropriate to every single discrete and/or particularly-identifiable aspect of the horrendous mistreatment he experienced.

In short: SUE THE BASTARDS.



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07 Nov 2013, 1:32 am

the bastards have already won. he won't get a penny and in fact will be likely bankrupted and hounded from his home, that is par for the course in America nowadays. the bastards have won and we sheeple let it happen.



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07 Nov 2013, 1:52 am

the government is making people stupid... the evidence is everywhere
tax increases
tax havens
corporate fraud
death
autism - this is not a accident
low wages
marriage separation
it's going to get worse
protect yourself

people have no brains now... it's sad

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07 Nov 2013, 2:38 am

DizzleJWizzle wrote:
the government is making people stupid... the evidence is everywhere
tax increases
tax havens
corporate fraud
death
autism - this is not a accident
low wages
marriage separation
it's going to get worse
protect yourself

people have no brains now... it's sad

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Autism a government conspiracy?


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07 Nov 2013, 2:57 am

auntblabby wrote:
the bastards have already won. he won't get a penny and in fact will be likely bankrupted and hounded from his home, that is par for the course in America nowadays. the bastards have won and we sheeple let it happen.


Well, we'll see about that in due course.

One thing (among several things) that I do admire about American culture is its strongly-expressed tendency toward the pursuance of individually perceived and justifiable (and where relevant, Constitutionally-formulated and explicitly or implicitly-applicable) rights.

I should imagine that such a situationally-unique, procedurally-unprecedented and inherently objectively outrageous (regarded in terms including but not limited to social, moral and legal standards applicable to law enforcement officials and in the light of reasonable considerations of multiple prevailing and reasonable expectations and standards, legally-justifiable or otherwise) would be regarded as self-evidently actionable on any number of grounds.

If this bloke doesn't successfully sue anyone and everyone involved for every penny they are judged to owe, then I will concede with great reluctancy (in terms of both personal inclination(s) and legally-justifiable opinions) that an undesirable precedent has been set, which could ultimately prove implicitly corrosive of and explicitly detrimental to the (hitherto-regarded as) inalienable rights inherited by each and every natural born American citizen

In other words: I have faith that such a self-evident affront to social standards will be addressed by the US legal system,, fairly and squarely, and will therefore ultimately be resolved (barring some major malign influence upon the relevant legal specialists and/or process) in favour of the wronged party.

I could of course be proven wrong, in which case I will profess my profound gratitude that I happen to live in a banana constitutional monarchy, and will therefore never again offer my unqualified opinions pertaining to the social expectations and/or standards of other common-law jurisdictions.

Amen.



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07 Nov 2013, 3:45 am

Let me start by saying that I don't think there is really any reason for authorities to go to such extreme lengths to do cavity search, what they did was cruel and unusual punishment. Not only should all involved be sued to the ends of the earth in civil court, but they should also have aggravated rape charges brought against them in criminal court.

That being said.
I have the sneaking suspicion that all the facts of this situation have not been reported. Clenched butt cheeks isn't enough.
It started as a simple traffic stop. Most of the time, people are not ordered to exit the vehicle in that situation.


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