Family Wants Re-Trial Of Murderer Executed In 1944

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09 Nov 2013, 6:27 pm

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1511812


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09 Nov 2013, 8:08 pm

Executive summary?



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10 Nov 2013, 4:54 am

What good will it do? Injustice or not, he's already been executed and at this point it was nearly 70 years ago.



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10 Nov 2013, 5:04 pm

The headlines refer to the boy as a 'murderer'.

The family's point is that though he was convicted of the crime, they feel there is serious doubt that he was guilty.

When I read the article, I felt that he should have been referred to as 'boy' or 'teen-ager', not 'murderer'.

If there is a chance of proving innocence, the family deserves to know.


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10 Nov 2013, 5:14 pm

I like the public seeing cases where justice and the death penalty may have failed. It might make people think more about whether the death penalty is really a good idea. There are too many forces and rules that make it difficult to revisit cases



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10 Nov 2013, 5:33 pm

I agree completely.....well said.


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10 Nov 2013, 8:22 pm

Afterwards, the system can revisit the issue of another heinous atrocity - the denial of Reparations to the descendents of Antebellum slaves.


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11 Nov 2013, 12:39 am

Fnord wrote:
Afterwards, the system can revisit the issue of another heinous atrocity - the denial of Reparations to the descendents of Antebellum slaves.
Why would the descendants be owed reparations for what was done to their forefathers?



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11 Nov 2013, 2:31 am

Good luck bringing the real murderer to justice after seventy years.


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11 Nov 2013, 1:59 pm

eric76 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Afterwards, the system can revisit the issue of another heinous atrocity - the denial of Reparations to the descendents of Antebellum slaves.
Why would the descendants be owed reparations for what was done to their forefathers?

Why would the descendants of someone who was executed in 1945 be owed a new trial?


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11 Nov 2013, 3:19 pm

Fnord wrote:
eric76 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Afterwards, the system can revisit the issue of another heinous atrocity - the denial of Reparations to the descendents of Antebellum slaves.
Why would the descendants be owed reparations for what was done to their forefathers?

Why would the descendants of someone who was executed in 1945 be owed a new trial?


I don't think that they are owed a new trial.

Also, on the question of reparations, to the best of my knowledge, none of my ancestors ever owned slaves. I would bet that most white Americans do not have ancestors who owned slaves.

For that matter, a number of my ancestors didn't even emigrate to the United States until about 1900.

I can see no logical, moral, or ethical obligation for those of us in that position to be required to contribute to reparations for ancestors of former slaves in any manner at all.

To make the idea of reparations even more absurd, there are reports that about 350,000 soldiers in the North died in the Civil War affecting an average of about 10% of all families in the Northern states. Why should descendants of those families that lost family members in the military fighting to bring the South back into the Union and to free the slaves have to contributed anything at all toward reparations?

What slavery reparations really means is to take money away from people who earned it, most of whom had absolutely nothing to do with slavery, and give it to individuals who are several generations removed from the slavery. There's nothing about that that makes any sense at all.



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11 Nov 2013, 3:48 pm

If an innocent fourteen-year-old boy was wrongly convicted and killed, the truth should be known.


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11 Nov 2013, 6:35 pm

I meant it's hard to revisit cases in general, even ones where the accused are still alive. The supreme court ruled in 1993 that a guy "William Osbourne" could not have a DNA test that would've exhonerated him. Justice Roberts wrote that allowing it, would “unnecessarily overthrowing the established system of criminal justice.” That's nuts. It's a quintessentially conservative view, that preserving order is more important than actual justice.



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11 Nov 2013, 6:41 pm

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
I meant it's hard to revisit cases in general, even ones where the accused are still alive. The supreme court ruled in 1993 that a guy "William Osbourne" could not have a DNA test that would've exhonerated him. Justice Roberts wrote that allowing it, would “unnecessarily overthrowing the established system of criminal justice.” That's nuts. It's a quintessentially conservative view, that preserving order is more important than actual justice.

but then you start changing the definition of justice and things start going south real quick



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11 Nov 2013, 7:30 pm

One other thing about reparations for slavery: do these proposed reparations include reparations to whites? Or just blacks?

From http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-irish-slave-trade-forgotten-white-slaves/:

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Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.

From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

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As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.

African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African.

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England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia.

There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.

There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry.

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But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong.



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11 Nov 2013, 7:45 pm

eric76 wrote:
One other thing about reparations for slavery: do these proposed reparations include reparations to whites? Or just blacks?

Everybody ... and I want my fair share too!


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