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22 Feb 2014, 2:21 am

In Columbia SC it is now essentially a criminal offense to be homeless, and citizens have been asked to call the police if they observe homeless people in the downtown area. Benches and places to rest have been removed to discourage homeless people from stopping to rest. This is insanity.

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22 Feb 2014, 2:33 am

Laws against "loitering" and "vagrancy" have frequently been found constitutionally questionable, see for example:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolender_v._Lawson

However, as the country moves farther and farther away from the Constitution I'm afraid we'll see more laws of this kind, and they may stand.



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22 Feb 2014, 3:34 am

luanqibazao wrote:
Laws against "loitering" and "vagrancy" have frequently been found constitutionally questionable, see for example:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolender_v._Lawson

However, as the country moves farther and farther away from the Constitution I'm afraid we'll see more laws of this kind, and they may stand.


I think we both know this is not about loitering or vacancy, otherwise there would not be implementation of restrictions and fabricated red tape on persons or groups wishing to provide food and assistance to the homeless. And a homeless "camp" that people are only permitted to leave with special designated accommodations. Trying to discourage people from giving food to the needy while presenting oneself as "Christian" is kinda squirrely to me.



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22 Feb 2014, 4:57 am

“If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

so-called "good prosperity gospel" Christians ignore this at their karmic peril.



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22 Feb 2014, 5:09 am

auntblabby wrote:
“If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

so-called "good prosperity gospel" Christians ignore this at their karmic peril.


Back in the 80s an unholy alliance of Mental Health Rights Activists and Cost Cutting Republican Lawmakers worked together to close down many government run Mental Institutions. Many of the Mentally Ill people released from these institutions wound up on the streets as homeless unable to fend for themselves.



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22 Feb 2014, 5:31 am

what strange bedfellows those two must have been.



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22 Feb 2014, 5:55 am

I find myself wishing I believed in reincarnation, so I could take solace in knowing how these bastards in Columbia S.C. would take their turn on the Karmic wheel being reborn as the poor and homeless, and having no where to sleep other than a "concentration camp" that was of their own making in their previous lives.


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22 Feb 2014, 5:59 am

I DO believe in reincarnation and I am convinced these people were feudal lords back in the days of olde, so their time in the penalty box is in the future and cannot be avoided unless they wanna give up their eternal souls.



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22 Feb 2014, 6:58 am

Do these "criminals" end up in prison for sleeping on a park bench?, in which case wouldn't it be easier to just build some dormitories for them rather than more prisons?



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22 Feb 2014, 7:42 am

khaoz wrote:
In Columbia SC it is now essentially a criminal offense to be homeless, and citizens have been asked to call the police if they observe homeless people in the downtown area. Benches and places to rest have been removed to discourage homeless people from stopping to rest. This is insanity.

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http://www.bbncommunity.com/now-illegal-homeless/ One of these links should work. I am not proficient at this insertion of link business.


You are committing an offence in some places in the UK when sleeping rough too.
http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/Poli ... story.html

And the soup kitchen has to shift to make way for this
http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/Visi ... story.html



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22 Feb 2014, 7:55 am

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...an around-the-clock center where homeless men and women may eat three meals a day, be bused to and from appointments, sleep safely and get help in returning to stable lives...

...[working] on a longer-term plan that businesses, City Hall and neighborhoods hope will help better serve homeless people and make them less visible in the streets and parks of Columbia’s commercial center.

http://www.thestate.com/2013/10/04/3020 ... eless.html

I think the problem begins with the idea of ownership of the land, and prisoner-of-war camps have long been used by the white man to enforce compliance: https://www.google.com/search?q=pow+334


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22 Feb 2014, 9:07 am

Nambo wrote:
Do these "criminals" end up in prison for sleeping on a park bench?, in which case wouldn't it be easier to just build some dormitories for them rather than more prisons?


I doubt it. Usually when a city starts doing stuff like this, they round up the homeless folks and sentence them to 'transportation' to the next county... :roll:

What a bunch of scumbags....


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22 Feb 2014, 9:14 am

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Columbia, South Carolina has decided to rescind its controversial decision to criminalize homelessness after facing major backlash from police, city workers and advocates.

...said it would give homeless people the option to go to the shelter, but would not force them...

...would have required additional police to round up homeless people and to stand guard at the facility to make sure that no one left without permission...

“Homelessness is not a crime,” Interim Police Chief Ruben Santiago told The State. “We can’t just take people to somewhere they don’t want to go. I can’t do that. I won’t do that.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/0 ... 66273.html


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22 Feb 2014, 9:43 am

Sigh. Yet another city picking on the most vulnerable of citizens. I can see their point though; still, more can be done to help the homeless rather than just shuffling them off to some colony like lepers.



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22 Feb 2014, 9:46 am

I live in the UK where vagrancy has already been a criminal offence for years. There was even one particularly disgraceful incident last year when police shunted a group of homeless people outside of the disused swimming baths they'd been sheltering in and confiscated food and bedding that had been donated to them by members of the public.

But would I report the sighting of a homeless person to the police? Definitely not - and fortunately I suspect that also applies to most people who live here, except for the occasional busybody with nothing better to do than cause trouble for anyone less fortunate than them.



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22 Feb 2014, 12:39 pm

Is this for real 8O


'Homeless people are set to be shipped off to a camp on the outskirts of town – but the kicker is that the shelter only has 250 beds, which are available on a first come, first serve basis.

Once you’re in the camp, there’s no way of leaving, and there’s no room for the other thousand homeless residents left in the city.'

WTF! how is it legal to imprison people for being homeless?.....and so the homeless that aren't lucky enough to make it into that prison camp will have the opportunity to be put in actual prison. Yay facism :roll:


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