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20 Feb 2014, 4:37 pm

The sad truth is that governments often don't draw much of a distinction between nonviolent protest and violence.

See also . . . http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/thelede ... -in-sochi/

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will need to rewrite--> http://m.smh.com.au/world/sochi-winter- ... 334gp.html

p**** Riot have released the anti-Putin, anti-Olympics video clip they were in Sochi to film, featuring footage from their brutal beating by Cossacks on Wednesday.

It came as the IOC said the images from the attack were “very unsettling”, but denied that they had cast a shadow on the Games.

IOC spokesman Mark Adams said on Thursday morning that he, “like many people found the video and pictures very unsettling.”

[photo]A Cossack about to attack Nadezhda Tolokonnikova (wearing the blue balaclava) as Maria Alekhina holds her fist high.[/photo]

He said the governor of the Krasnodar region had expressed regret and launched an investigation.

“They are the appropriate authority to look into this,” he said. “This is really a civil issue.”

Late on Wednesday Krasnodar region governor Alexander Tkachev – considered politically to be a supporter of the Cossacks – promised a “thorough probe” into the attack and to prosecute the attackers.

Cossacks are a nationalistic, self-organising militia who identify themselves as descendants of the people who founded Krasnodar.

They have been used in Sochi by police to boost security. . .



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20 Feb 2014, 4:50 pm

Well, non-violent protest is OK providing you don't make too much of a fool of yourself, and maybe that protest in the church was a bit too far.

However..............

I wonder where the *** came from? After all, the group are called p**** Riot and I have two p**** cats so let's see what's displayed in my post.


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20 Feb 2014, 4:52 pm

Yeah, thought so, posts are being censored automatically, even though both of my uses were entirely innocent.


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20 Feb 2014, 6:58 pm

The Censor
by
Mason Williams


The Censor sits
Somewhere between
The scenes to be seen
And the television sets
With his scissor purpose poised
Watching the human stuff
That will sizzle through
The magic wires
And light up
Like welding shops
The ho-hum rooms of America
And with a kindergarten
Arts and crafts concept
Of moral responsibility
Snips out
The rough talk
The unpopular opinion
Or anything with teeth
And renders
A pattern of ideas
Full of holes
A doily
For your mind



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20 Feb 2014, 7:51 pm

Perhaps this incident will throw all the more international light on Putin's regime.


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21 Feb 2014, 3:19 pm

I don't want to be against one guy just because I'm told to. What I remember from the Cold War, one lesson I draw, is that there are maybe 50 abusive governments at any one time and we're told to be against a sub-set.

Okay, back in the mid 1970s Indonesia invaded East Timor, and through the 1980s and 90s with direct military campaigns and an intentional starvation program killed approximately one-sixth to one-third of the civilian population of small East Timor. It was really a bad situation. And we continued to give military aid to Indonesia because, well, heck, they're a Cold War ally. The American dissident Noam Chomsky has written about this as an absolute failure of an independent news media, and he's right.



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21 Feb 2014, 3:53 pm

ok everybody, take a look at the list below and see how many things look shockingly familiar to us-

Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt [Source Free Inquiry.com 5-28-3]

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.



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21 Feb 2014, 4:04 pm

auntblabby wrote:
ok everybody, take a look at the list below and see how many things look shockingly familiar to us-

Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt [Source Free Inquiry.com 5-28-3]

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.


I think the supporters of a certain political philosophy in this country should look at that list, then examine themselves in the mirror. And I don't mean liberals.


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