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03 May 2014, 6:13 pm

http://rt.com/usa/156236-high-school-drug-test-company/

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Three Catholic schools in the Cleveland, Ohio area will begin mandatory drug testing using students’ hair in the next school year. The CEO of the company performing the testing is the brother of one of the school’s presidents.

Gilmour Academy, St. Edward High School, and St. Ignatius High School announced the new policy to students and their parents on Monday. The schools will use Psychemedics Corporation for the drug tests on hair follicles. Psychemedics president and CEO Raymond Kubacki is the brother of St. Edward president James Kubacki.


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03 May 2014, 7:14 pm

Why are they bothering with this?


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03 May 2014, 7:35 pm

to make each other a lot of money
drug test cost a good chunk of change



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03 May 2014, 7:45 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Why are they bothering with this?


They originally said it was to combat the rise in heroin use in the state. After it was pointed out that there were no heroin problems among their students, they said it was a preventive measure. This is just the most recent story to come out on these mandatory drug tests (which were announced shortly after the non-refundable tuition was due).

IMO, it's just more of the good old northeast Ohio mentality of contract steering and cronyism. Dimora, Montague, Shuman, Russo, Armstrong, Schatz. Nearly every city and township, utility, and large school system up here has seen its fair share of corruption cases. There is a new case every week or so.


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03 May 2014, 8:07 pm

Smells like a racket to me.
Even if it's not it has the appearance of a racket so common sense should tell them to let well enough alone.


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03 May 2014, 8:21 pm

Unfortunately, it is 100% legal. They filed the paperwork correctly, so even if the company was owned by the school president, no one could fight it in court. Gotta love the business friendly policies Ohio has put in place in the last 4 years.


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04 May 2014, 8:37 am

Isn't there are right to privacy and a right to refuse medical procedures? (giving a hair sample for testing is a medical procedure)
What students do outside of school is none of the school's business.



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04 May 2014, 10:10 am

trollcatman wrote:
Isn't there are right to privacy and a right to refuse medical procedures? (giving a hair sample for testing is a medical procedure)
What students do outside of school is none of the school's business.


Private schools (at least here in Ohio) can get away with all sorts of things that would be unacceptable elsewhere.


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04 May 2014, 10:21 am

sonofghandi wrote:
trollcatman wrote:
Isn't there are right to privacy and a right to refuse medical procedures? (giving a hair sample for testing is a medical procedure)
What students do outside of school is none of the school's business.


Private schools (at least here in Ohio) can get away with all sorts of things that would be unacceptable elsewhere.


I still think what people do outside of school is their own choice. I would want to be in a school that monitors what students do outside of school, it's none of their business. I hear that some businesses also do this to their employees in some countries. Why does it matter if someone smokes weed in his own time? As long as the person does their job adequately it shouldn't matter.



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04 May 2014, 10:32 am

trollcatman wrote:
sonofghandi wrote:
trollcatman wrote:
Isn't there are right to privacy and a right to refuse medical procedures? (giving a hair sample for testing is a medical procedure)
What students do outside of school is none of the school's business.


Private schools (at least here in Ohio) can get away with all sorts of things that would be unacceptable elsewhere.


I still think what people do outside of school is their own choice. I would want to be in a school that monitors what students do outside of school, it's none of their business. I hear that some businesses also do this to their employees in some countries. Why does it matter if someone smokes weed in his own time? As long as the person does their job adequately it shouldn't matter.


Some workplaces can fire you for smoking cigarettes outside of work. The Cleveland clinic has random tests for nicotine and all drugs. If you are on prescription medication, you have to tell them what and how much before it shows up in a test or they can fire you.

It does not make much sense to me, either. I would guess it has something to do with exercising power over individuals while still trying to justify doing so.


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04 May 2014, 2:10 pm

sonofghandi wrote:
trollcatman wrote:
sonofghandi wrote:
trollcatman wrote:
Isn't there are right to privacy and a right to refuse medical procedures? (giving a hair sample for testing is a medical procedure)
What students do outside of school is none of the school's business.


Private schools (at least here in Ohio) can get away with all sorts of things that would be unacceptable elsewhere.


I still think what people do outside of school is their own choice. I would want to be in a school that monitors what students do outside of school, it's none of their business. I hear that some businesses also do this to their employees in some countries. Why does it matter if someone smokes weed in his own time? As long as the person does their job adequately it shouldn't matter.


Some workplaces can fire you for smoking cigarettes outside of work. The Cleveland clinic has random tests for nicotine and all drugs. If you are on prescription medication, you have to tell them what and how much before it shows up in a test or they can fire you.

It does not make much sense to me, either. I would guess it has something to do with exercising power over individuals while still trying to justify doing so.

it also has to do with health insurance, when they do their bulk buy they get a big discount for not having smokers

your going to see more of this with the healthcare mandate



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04 May 2014, 7:59 pm

/\ It seems like it would be better all around to just require the individual smoker to purchase a smoker's rider to tack onto their company paid insurance that would cover anything directly smoking related. But then the joy of playing health nazi and controlling peoples lives would be lost and we can't have that.


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04 May 2014, 8:59 pm

trollcatman wrote:
sonofghandi wrote:
trollcatman wrote:
Isn't there are right to privacy and a right to refuse medical procedures? (giving a hair sample for testing is a medical procedure)
What students do outside of school is none of the school's business.


Private schools (at least here in Ohio) can get away with all sorts of things that would be unacceptable elsewhere.


I still think what people do outside of school is their own choice. I would want to be in a school that monitors what students do outside of school, it's none of their business. I hear that some businesses also do this to their employees in some countries. Why does it matter if someone smokes weed in his own time? As long as the person does their job adequately it shouldn't matter.


Exactly.


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05 May 2014, 12:51 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Why are they bothering with this?

To make the president's brother a lot of money, I bet. Maybe they had a deal where the pres. gets a percentage of the profits from the contract. I think it's telling that no kids will get expelled or anything (which would cost the school money). If kids did test positive for something serious like heroin I bet they'd have no plan in place for what to do with them. I think they expect to find nothing, so it's all about the money.

The exact same thing was done on a bigger scale in Florida. The Governor forced everyone on welfare to be drug-tested while having connections to the testing company. I'm sure millions of dollars were involved with that.