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07 May 2014, 6:21 pm

Maybe it's better to let the kids grow up as little heathens.
http://www.ky3.com/news/local/harrison- ... 8_25863674


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07 May 2014, 7:36 pm

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Ex-pastor is charged with sexually assaulting church youth in Harrison

Charged as in not yet tried and not necessarily guilty. Let's keep our hand off of the electric chair switch until after the trial, shall we?
I went to church as a kid and didn't get molested, nor did I know of anyone else getting molested in church.
I went to Sunday school as a kid and didnt get molested, nor did I know of anyone else getting molested in Sunday school.
Very few get molested during church activities or know anyone who has.
The same can be said for the scouts since I did not get molested, nor did I know of anyone getting molested in the scouts.


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07 May 2014, 11:39 pm

Are you kidding me? Look at the scandal with Catholic priests. How many thousands of men and women have been sexually abused by priests? Don't try to sweep that stuff under the rug. You have to be careful with your kids no matter who you leave them with. Professed religious beliefs are not a shield against deviant sexual behavior.

With that being said, I do not believe people should keep their kids from going to church because of the possibility of sexual abuse. That seems a little extreme. There is the possibility of sexual abuse from the next door neighbor, uncle, cousin, stepfather/stepmother/step sibling, coach, teacher, random stranger, etc. Teach your kids the warning signs and tell them what to do if someone acts in appropriately toward them.



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08 May 2014, 12:06 am

John Paul swept that nasty business under the rug. Now they're making him a Saint.

I guess he'll posthumously get the Nobel Peace Prize for millions of HIV dead in Africa too. Shrink-wrap for your little chap is bad, kids. God doesn't like it. If he didn't have the mental capacity to handle something like that the Vatican should have taken him outside and shot him like a knackered horse.

Geezer died in a palace. A Saint!



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08 May 2014, 12:08 am

em_tsuj wrote:
Are you kidding me? Look at the scandal with Catholic priests. How many thousands of men and women have been sexually abused by priests? Don't try to sweep that stuff under the rug. You have to be careful with your kids no matter who you leave them with. Professed religious beliefs are not a shield against deviant sexual behavior.

With that being said, I do not believe people should keep their kids from going to church because of the possibility of sexual abuse. That seems a little extreme. There is the possibility of sexual abuse from the next door neighbor, uncle, cousin, stepfather/stepmother/step sibling, coach, teacher, random stranger, etc. Teach your kids the warning signs and tell them what to do if someone acts in appropriately toward them.


The "very few" was obviously comparative and not intended to mean only two or three people in the history of the world have ever been molested in a religious setting.


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08 May 2014, 12:51 am

Raptor wrote:
The headline of the article:
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Ex-pastor is charged with sexually assaulting church youth in Harrison

Charged as in not yet tried and not necessarily guilty. Let's keep our hand off of the electric chair switch until after the trial, shall we?
I went to church as a kid and didn't get molested, nor did I know of anyone else getting molested in church.
I went to Sunday school as a kid and didnt get molested, nor did I know of anyone else getting molested in Sunday school.
Very few get molested during church activities or know anyone who has.
The same can be said for the scouts since I did not get molested, nor did I know of anyone getting molested in the scouts.


Me too - I never got touched sexually in church or anywhere else when I was a kid. It happens very, very few times, but the very fact that it does is still completely unacceptable.


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08 May 2014, 8:14 am

It happens more than you think.This group had a bible camp in this county.
http://www.kansascity.com/2013/12/01/46 ... suits.html
I was a Girl Scout and didn't get molested,also went to vacation bible school,just because nothing happened to me,does not mean that it doesn't happen to others.And not just in the Catholic Church.
http://mobile.rawstory.com/all/2014-05- ... m-to-leave


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08 May 2014, 12:19 pm

Reminds me of Hannibal Lector's nemesis, Mason Verger, who Hannibal had been treating after Verger had been convicted of molesting boys at the Christian camp his father had been running. Hannibal of course had convinced him to slice off his own face, which Hannibal then fed to a dog.


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08 May 2014, 5:43 pm

Anyone want to bet he'll only get a metaphorical slap on the wrist?


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08 May 2014, 8:25 pm

Skullbug wrote:
Anyone want to bet he'll only get a metaphorical slap on the wrist?


I think if convicted, they'll throw the book at the guy. Sex crimes are today the absolutely least tolerated offenses, and the perpetrators receive far less sympathy than any other offenders.


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09 May 2014, 2:17 pm

Another man of god molesting children? I'm shocked! :lol:



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10 May 2014, 2:29 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Skullbug wrote:
Anyone want to bet he'll only get a metaphorical slap on the wrist?


I think if convicted, they'll throw the book at the guy. Sex crimes are today the absolutely least tolerated offenses, and the perpetrators receive far less sympathy than any other offenders.


I hope he will be convicted, I have zero sympathy for the perpetrator. especially one who uses status to hide his crimes.



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10 May 2014, 3:16 pm

In the UK, there is currently a series of trials taking place where ageing celebrities are facing charges of sexual offences which took place several decades ago.

Other well-known individuals who are now dead are also accused of serial sexual offences, and there was recently a senior Roman Catholic in Scotland who chose to resign.

We are going through a period of massive change in public perception of these events, but I feel a little bit sorry for the small number of high-profile individuals who are paying the price.

Until the media discovered that famous people were involved, they didn't think they had a story. It is interesting that, out of the zillions of males who were sexually active in the 1960s/1970s, the media and the justice system has only identified a handful of wealthy individuals who should stand trial.



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10 May 2014, 3:30 pm

MrGrumpy wrote:
In the UK, there is currently a series of trials taking place where ageing celebrities are facing charges of sexual offences which took place several decades ago.

Other well-known individuals who are now dead are also accused of serial sexual offences, and there was recently a senior Roman Catholic in Scotland who chose to resign.

We are going through a period of massive change in public perception of these events, but I feel a little bit sorry for the small number of high-profile individuals who are paying the price.

Until the media discovered that famous people were involved, they didn't think they had a story. It is interesting that, out of the zillions of males who were sexually active in the 1960s/1970s, the media and the justice system has only identified a handful of wealthy individuals who should stand trial.


Like you had noted, these were famous and wealthy offenders whose station in life may have gotten them free from prosecution in the '60's and '70's, while people without fame or money went to prison. Perhaps the law is finally doing it's job after all this time.


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10 May 2014, 4:10 pm

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Like you had noted, these were famous and wealthy offenders whose station in life may have gotten them free from prosecution in the '60's and '70's, while people without fame or money went to prison. Perhaps the law is finally doing it's job after all this time.


I think that until recently, relatively few male sexual offenders were properly dealt with by the justice system, and I daresay that even now, many women do not consider their experience(s) as worthy of a criminal investigation. One of the recent trials was about a senior member of the Westminster parliament putting his hand down the trousers of a couple of bar staff in the bar of the Houses of Parliament. Neither of the bar staff made a complaint, and at the trial they both said that they didn't feel that a crime had been committed. The guy was acquitted. It cost him in the region of £100,000. That is not justice.

I would guess that most adult sexual assaults take place between people who know each other, and who are not in any way traumatised by the event. But if there is a possibility of a lucrative claim for damages, then maybe the parameters change. An elderly well-known figure was jailed for eight years last week for abusing (not raping) a 15-year-old whose parents appear to have actively encouraged his interest in the child because they supported her quest for a career in 'modelling'. In the judgement of the court, no mention was made of the failure of the parents to protect their daughter properly. The offence took place decades ago, and the 15-year-old admitted in court that she had suffered from regularly seeing her abuser in the public eye. Maybe if the offence had been committed by a nobody, she would have been less inclined to report the crime thirty years after it took place.

Sexual behaviour is probably not compatible with 'civilised' behaviour, but we need to find a better compromise.



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10 May 2014, 6:14 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Like you had noted, these were famous and wealthy offenders whose station in life may have gotten them free from prosecution in the '60's and '70's, while people without fame or money went to prison. Perhaps the law is finally doing it's job after all this time.


I think that until recently, relatively few male sexual offenders were properly dealt with by the justice system, and I daresay that even now, many women do not consider their experience(s) as worthy of a criminal investigation. One of the recent trials was about a senior member of the Westminster parliament putting his hand down the trousers of a couple of bar staff in the bar of the Houses of Parliament. Neither of the bar staff made a complaint, and at the trial they both said that they didn't feel that a crime had been committed. The guy was acquitted. It cost him in the region of £100,000. That is not justice.

I would guess that most adult sexual assaults take place between people who know each other, and who are not in any way traumatised by the event. But if there is a possibility of a lucrative claim for damages, then maybe the parameters change. An elderly well-known figure was jailed for eight years last week for abusing (not raping) a 15-year-old whose parents appear to have actively encouraged his interest in the child because they supported her quest for a career in 'modelling'. In the judgement of the court, no mention was made of the failure of the parents to protect their daughter properly. The offence took place decades ago, and the 15-year-old admitted in court that she had suffered from regularly seeing her abuser in the public eye. Maybe if the offence had been committed by a nobody, she would have been less inclined to report the crime thirty years after it took place.

Sexual behaviour is probably not compatible with 'civilised' behaviour, but we need to find a better compromise.


Oh, I think there's nothing incompatible between civilized behavior and sexuality - as long as that sex is between two consenting adults.


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