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27 May 2014, 8:36 am

Student Stripper Makes $180K a Year & Will Graduate Debt-Free
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/student-s ... 23271.html

Pakistan woman stoned to death by family for marrying man she loved
http://news.yahoo.com/pakistan-woman-st ... 15740.html


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27 May 2014, 11:53 am

Is this to show us how much better women have it in America compared to Pakistan? I think we already knew that...

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27 May 2014, 3:44 pm

Both these stories (with the Pakistani one being more extreme and tragic of course (and don't even get me started on the sickening cultural trend of "honour killing")) show the pressure women to conform to certain norms - whether obeying an "honour code" or relying upon their looks to earn enough to survive. In other words, women all around the world are seen as being little more than a commodity...

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27 May 2014, 5:21 pm

I don't think that woman was under that much pressure to whore herself out to make money... this isn't a single mother with 3 kids at home and no money to pay for food. She's made the conscious decision.

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27 May 2014, 5:36 pm

everything is a commodity. Even chemical and nuclear waste is likely to be a commodity for evildoers.



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27 May 2014, 5:55 pm

Magneto wrote:
I don't think that woman was under that much pressure to whore herself out to make money... this isn't a single mother with 3 kids at home and no money to pay for food. She's made the conscious decision.

#NotAllWomen


i'll counter that hashtag with this article:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/05/27/not_all_men_how_discussing_women_s_issues_gets_derailed.html



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27 May 2014, 7:22 pm

so under the slates argument I am privileged for not being super rich. Under the slate's argument, I am privileged for not having the privilege of not being a guy. There are many more fallacies in his arguments that relies on propaganda and hyperbole. Every op ed writer will usually have some faults, so no one is perfect. What it is important to be able to see through the nonsense, and recognize that some "journalist" are nothing more than an uneducated mouth piece serving an nefarious political agenda who have nothing to say.

A woman has more to worry about in a car than she does a man, yet most people do not fear a car. And even if she still fears the man, there are certain profiles that are likely to increase a mans likelihood to engage in violent criminal conduct such as substance abuse or a lack of education. Granted there are a few exceptions, but generally speaking the hatred and judgement of all men for the actions of a small, often identifiable, minority is illogical, unnecessary, and hurtful. I am not saying feminism doesn't have any merits, I am just saying that people need to see the world objectively and not be governed nor govern others by politically induced paranoid delusions nor isolated incidences nor propaganda.



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27 May 2014, 7:33 pm

nerds wrote:
so under the slates argument I am privileged for not being super rich. Under the slate's argument, I am privileged for not having the privilege of not being a guy. There are many more fallacies in his arguments that relies on propaganda and hyperbole. Every op ed writer will usually have some faults, so no one is perfect. What it is important to be able to see through the nonsense, and recognize that some "journalist" are nothing more than an uneducated mouth piece serving an nefarious political agenda who have nothing to say.

A woman has more to worry about in a car than she does a man, yet most people do not fear a car. And even if she still fears the man, there are certain profiles that are likely to increase a mans likelihood to engage in violent criminal conduct such as substance abuse or a lack of education. Granted there are a few exceptions, but generally speaking the hatred and judgement of all men for the actions of a small, often identifiable, minority is illogical, unnecessary, and hurtful. I am not saying feminism doesn't have any merits, I am just saying that people need to see the world objectively and not be governed nor govern others by politically induced paranoid delusions nor isolated incidences nor propaganda.


got any evidence to support that dangerous men are "often identifiable"--or is that just baseless supposition of your own? the man who raped me was not a monster, or a sociopath, or an uneducated drug addict. to this day, he likely does not view himself as a rapist (even though he knows perfectly well he had sex with someone against their will), and likely has a "normal" life with friends, family, and acquaintances who, if they were to find out what he had done, would be shocked and disbelieving "because he seems so normal". like ted bundy did to most of the people who knew him--except for the women he killed, that is. they knew otherwise, but only too late.



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27 May 2014, 8:30 pm

on discussing the relationship between low IQ and criminality, and more specifically this study focused on IQ and misconduct in prison.
http://libtreasures.utdallas.edu/jspui/bitstream/10735.1/2165/1/Diamond%20et%20al.%20(2012)%20Intelligence.pdf

A bit antiquated, but nonetheless the connection between alcohol an criminality
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ac.pdf
also
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/sciprc/pdf/ALCOHOL_AND_VIOLENCE.pdf


I don't know enough about your situation to comments about it, nor would he be on this forum to rebut your claims against him.



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28 May 2014, 8:22 pm

Magneto wrote:
I don't think that woman was under that much pressure to whore herself out to make money... this isn't a single mother with 3 kids at home and no money to pay for food. She's made the conscious decision.

#NotAllWomen


Either way that particular punishment does not seem at all appropriate for that.


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29 May 2014, 8:06 am

Magneto wrote:
I don't think that woman was under that much pressure to whore herself out to make money.

I notice that 's a judgement on the woman who chose to strip, rather than on the men who create the market for stripping. I can think of cases where I see a market transaction as morally dubious, and assign more blame to the seller than the buyer, and others where I think it's the buyer who is more of a problem. What is your reason for assigning blame as you do in this case?



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29 May 2014, 8:25 am

Assigning blame? No-one was forcing her to strip. I find the transaction to be dubious, but since both parties concerned have voluntarily entered into it...

There aren't any victims in this particular case - the men get to watch her strip, and she gets paid a lot of money for not much effort.

I really don't understand what you're trying to get at...



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29 May 2014, 10:02 am

Magneto wrote:
Assigning blame? No-one was forcing her to strip. I find the transaction to be dubious, but since both parties concerned have voluntarily entered into it...

There aren't any victims in this particular case - the men get to watch her strip, and she gets paid a lot of money for not much effort.

I really don't understand what you're trying to get at...


You called her a whore. Therefore, you are passing judgement on her for choosing to strip.



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29 May 2014, 12:12 pm

Yes, and...?



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29 May 2014, 12:42 pm

Magneto wrote:
Yes, and...?


So, why are you passing judgement on her?



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29 May 2014, 12:47 pm

peoples definition of a w* may not all agree, but it is based upon the individual's standard of value. I suppose an islamic extremist may call a woman who dares show her face a w*.