Brittany Maynard & Dying with Dignity

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08 Oct 2014, 8:27 am

Cancer patient Brittany Maynard, 29, has scheduled her death for Nov. 1

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Brittany Maynard carries a prescription in her wallet. It was written by a doctor in Oregon, one of five states with legal protections for terminally ill patients who want to end their suffering. And in three weeks, she plans to use it to die.


I support Maynard. Each of us will face death and we have a right to do it in our own way.



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08 Oct 2014, 12:40 pm

I agree.

However, if I was in her shoes I'd choose to go down fighting. I'd tell my doctors: Inoperable you say? Hah! TRY IT ANYWAY.

If I die, I die. 'Twas gonna happen anyway.
If it works, it works!

Either way the act itself would help medical science better understand and maybe find new ways to do these surgeries.



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08 Oct 2014, 1:14 pm

This is fom eHow, so I imagine it's a fairly generic description:

Last Stages of Glioblastoma

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By the time this cancer has reached Stage IV, the patient will not be lucid. It is likely they will not be coherent, and pain will be extreme. In order to treat this intense pain, the doctor may keep the patient under sedation or even induce a coma in severe situations. The patient's memory will probably no longer exist, making recognizing close family members impossible. This will be a distressing time for the patient and his family members. As the tumor grows bigger, the symptoms will worsen, and the patient will eventually die.


My father died of cancer and I wouldn't want to fight for as long as he did.



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08 Oct 2014, 2:09 pm

The disease will erase who and what she is, while I do not like what she is doing I think it is up to her. I might in the same situation do the same if I was going to die of the same condition.


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08 Oct 2014, 4:28 pm

One needn't agree with her choice in order to agree that it's her choice to make - not a choice between living or dying, but between dying a peaceful death or a horrific one.



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09 Oct 2014, 2:24 pm

To me, choosing to check out early is NOT brave. To be sure, dying of brain cancer is horrible. If it was me, I'd tell a family member to hold the pills until I was in insufferable pain, and then tell me they are candy and leave them next to a glass of decent scotch.


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09 Oct 2014, 2:35 pm

Prof_Pretorius wrote:
To me, choosing to check out early is NOT brave. To be sure, dying of brain cancer is horrible. If it was me, I'd tell a family member to hold the pills until I was in insufferable pain, and then tell me they are candy and leave them next to a glass of decent scotch.


I don't understand why making a conscious choice to die is so abominable in our culture. Would you rather leave your accomplice to face judicial consequences than make the decision yourself. Why is it not brave?



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09 Oct 2014, 2:59 pm

Why does it matter whether it's brave or not? Is Brittany a Viking? :?



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09 Oct 2014, 3:44 pm

Prof_Pretorius wrote:
To me, choosing to check out early is NOT brave. To be sure, dying of brain cancer is horrible. If it was me, I'd tell a family member to hold the pills until I was in insufferable pain, and then tell me they are candy and leave them next to a glass of decent scotch.


You may not be able to see, hear, or understand about the candy in the last stages of brain cancer. It is unclear if you will be able to pick up a glass of scotch, put the candy in your mouth, or swallow anything. You may be able to eggsperience the pain, but with no way to communicate that you want it to end.


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09 Oct 2014, 8:56 pm

I don't know what I would do. Probably cling to one more day, and one more day, and one more day...

...until my ability to act was gone.

I don't know how to feel about assisted suicide.

It is a slippery slope, there is no denying that. The slippery slope is a logical fallacy, but human beings aren't logical. We have to come up with a way to make sure assisted suicide/mercy killing doesn't turn into killings of convenience or desperation. Because there are people who will do it.

I also know this: I watched my mother die of metastasized cancer. It ate her from the inside out over the course of about half a decade. She went through three or four major abdominal surgeries, chemo, radiation, and experimental therapies. From the time it was determined that the last available treatment had failed, it took most of a year for her to die.

Slowly, painfully, one inch at a time. When Grandma and I had to take over cooking and running the house?? Fine. No big. It's what mothers do, and it's how daughters grow up-- and most of all, Mom was still living. Enjoying food, reading books, looking at her flowers, seeing friends, writing her life lessons in a notebook for when I'd need her and she wouldn't be there.

When Grandpa had to start helping her to the shower, and she started throwing up more meals than she kept down?? Well, that sucks-- but no big. Life goes on. She still read books, watched movies, thought about her flowers. Sometimes she could still get out for a little while. Close friends and family could visit for a little while before she was too tired. Her life lesson entries got shorter, but she was still writing.

When Grandma had to start giving her sponge baths, and Grandpa had to help her to the toilet?? Aw, man, that's rough. But she enjoyed choosing stories for Grandma to read to us. She could get through part of a movie without getting loopy, and a nap would restore her ability to focus. She was getting awfully thin. We had to sort of help her turn herself so she wouldn't get bed sores. The last life lesson reads, "So much more, but I can't. I love you." There were only a few things she could get down, much less keep down. She liked to sit at the table and look out the window.

I found her there one day sucking on a bottle of morphine (liquid, for oral or sublingual dosing). She was completely exhausted from getting the lid off. She was sucking at the dropper like a baby at a bottle. I knew too much of it could kill her. I knew people who were as sick as she was could become delusional. I thought maybe she was delusional, and yelled for Grandma.

Grandma pried the bottle out of her hands. She was struggling to hang onto it. "Please, Mommy. Please, Mommy. Mommy, my baby..." This might be a good time to add that she was raped while receiving the experimental treatments. She had to abort the baby in order to continue treatment.

It was years later before I actually grasped what was going on in that kitchen that day. She knew she was on about the last of her strength, the last of her ability to assert her volition. She knew it was only going to get worse. She wanted her baby. She wanted an end.

She died, not so much of cancer as of starvation, a few months later. A skeleton, covered in skin, wracked with pain, in and out of her senses, wreathed in bed sores no amount of padding or turning would prevent.

Did those last few months hurt me?? Not really. It was sad, but I was an 11-year-old Aspie kid still under the delusion that someday she would get better. They damaged me not at all. I learned a lot-- I am a better person for watching my mother die. Thanks, Mom, for that one last life lesson.

Did those last few months hurt Grandma?? I don't know. I know she still cries over it, but if it harmed her she would never tell me.

Should Mom have had to suffer through them?? I guess "should" is a moral decision everyone has to make for themselves...

...but if I could go back to that day in that kitchen with the understanding I have now, I would have kept my mouth shut. I would hold the bottle to her lips, help her swallow, and put my arms around her and whisper "I love you" and other such sweet nothings until it was over. Because I loved my mother, and no one should be forced or required by law to endure what she did.

That's my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.


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09 Oct 2014, 11:31 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
Prof_Pretorius wrote:
To me, choosing to check out early is NOT brave. To be sure, dying of brain cancer is horrible. If it was me, I'd tell a family member to hold the pills until I was in insufferable pain, and then tell me they are candy and leave them next to a glass of decent scotch.


You may not be able to see, hear, or understand about the candy in the last stages of brain cancer. It is unclear if you will be able to pick up a glass of scotch, put the candy in your mouth, or swallow anything. You may be able to eggsperience the pain, but with no way to communicate that you want it to end.


I assure you wholeheartedly I WOULD be capable of lift a glass of scotch to my mouth, even if it required both hands and a towel....


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10 Oct 2014, 1:54 pm

Prof_Pretorius wrote:
I assure you wholeheartedly I WOULD be capable of lift a glass of scotch to my mouth, even if it required both hands and a towel....


If that's the case then you would be making a conscious decision - so you would be choosing to take your own life. Which I think is fine and still don't see how it's not brave.



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10 Oct 2014, 2:15 pm

YippySkippy wrote:
Why does it matter whether it's brave or not? Is Brittany a Viking? :?


We are all VIKINGS ! !!


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10 Oct 2014, 2:17 pm

This is SPARTA!



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10 Oct 2014, 2:17 pm

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13 Oct 2014, 9:32 pm

/\ /\ I ask you, would this bloke be scared of cancer ???


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