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28 Feb 2015, 6:14 pm

Russia opposition politician Boris Nemtsov shot dead BBC

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unidentified attacker in a car shot Mr Nemtsov four times in the back as he crossed a bridge in view of the Kremlin, police say.

He died hours after appealing for support for a march on Sunday in Moscow against the war in Ukraine.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has condemned the murder, the Kremlin says.

President Putin has assumed "personal control" of the investigation into the killing, said his spokesman Dmitry Peskov.

Investigators said the murder could have been "a provocation aimed at destabilising the country".

The investigative committee said in a statement that several motives for the killing were being considered including "Islamic extremism".



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28 Feb 2015, 8:27 pm

One of Stalin's rivals conveniently had been killed by an assassin - he used that as an opportunity to start up a new purge. Years later when Khrushchev had had all of Stalin's crimes investigated in order to reveal them, he and the others went away saying that the truth was just too terrible, and should be hidden forever. I sort of think Uncle Joe had had a hand in that shooting. Same with Putin having an involvement in Nemtsov's death.


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28 Feb 2015, 8:32 pm

Oh for sure.
Putin is a mob boss in politician's clothing.



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01 Mar 2015, 7:16 am

The Russia That Died With Boris Nemtsov By Leonid Bershidsky

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I seriously doubt that Nemtsov's death will invigorate the anti-Putin protest movement. It is too weak to present a threat. Convincing others of the regime's criminality is a weapon that's too heavy for Russian liberals to heft these days. Still, I cannot help but wonder now what my country would have been like had Yeltsin made a different choice back in 1999.

Under President Boris Nemtsov, Russia could have been a country where I could have kept living and working. With his death, that unrealized future has died, too.



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01 Mar 2015, 12:21 pm

Who is this guy worth more dead to, think about it. He wasn't some super prominent opposition leader, he was an ex-politician who's party couldn't muster 5% to make it into parliament that was essentially publicly executed on the doorstep of the Kremlin the day before an opposition march. Something stinks, this is the same Russia we accuse of covertly poisoning people in other countries but they kill this guy who was of no real significance without even a hint of trying to make it look like an accident or anything but an execution? Putin has an 86% approval rating right now in Russia, why would he order somebody to be publicly executed in broad day light literally in front of the Kremlin? Putin hasn't gotten this far by being stupid. I think it is pretty telling given the headlines and implications in the west, what evidence does anybody have?



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01 Mar 2015, 1:25 pm

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this is the same Russia we accuse of covertly poisoning people in other countries

It's not Russia that's accused, it's Putin. You don't doubt that the assassinations of Alexander Litvinenko, Anna Politkovskaya and all the others were ordered by Putin, do you?

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why would he order somebody to be publicly executed in broad day light literally in front of the Kremlin?
"pour encourager les autres?" Because that's how tyrants consolidate and maintain power?

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Putin hasn't gotten this far by being stupid.
No. He's gotten this far by killing lots of people. No reason to think he would suddenly stop now.



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01 Mar 2015, 2:07 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Putin has an 86% approval rating right now in Russia, why would he order somebody to be publicly executed in broad day light literally in front of the Kremlin? Putin hasn't gotten this far by being stupid. I think it is pretty telling given the headlines and implications in the west, what evidence does anybody have?


Yeah it does seem kind of dumb. But why would Putin need to be covert if it's impossible to take any action against him?



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01 Mar 2015, 2:12 pm

Adamantium wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
this is the same Russia we accuse of covertly poisoning people in other countries

It's not Russia that's accused, it's Putin. You don't doubt that the assassinations of Alexander Litvinenko, Anna Politkovskaya and all the others were ordered by Putin, do you?

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why would he order somebody to be publicly executed in broad day light literally in front of the Kremlin?
"pour encourager les autres?" Because that's how tyrants consolidate and maintain power?

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Putin hasn't gotten this far by being stupid.
No. He's gotten this far by killing lots of people. No reason to think he would suddenly stop now.


Putin has an 86% approval rating, what power does he need to consolidate? Despite all the demonization and sanctions by the west, his approval rating is higher now than it has ever been. Why would he order someone killed in such a way where he himself would be the first to be blamed? To call this guy a "prominent opposition figure" is a real stretch, he was the not very well liked former deputy PM under Yeltsin who then jumped in bed with American NGOs(National Endowment for Democracy) and think tanks. Unsurprisingly his efforts in politics since then have been completely unsuccessful as he served American interests rather than Russian ones. He also tried his hand at being a banker of which got shut down shortly after for fraud and money laundering, perhaps he had more enemies than we know? His girlfriend, a 23 year old model and Ukrainian national, was on a convenient romantic stroll with Nemtsov when he got shot in which she was unharmed and detained where she is now claiming amnesia. Cui bono, who has the most to gain here?

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01 Mar 2015, 2:27 pm

staremaster wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Putin has an 86% approval rating right now in Russia, why would he order somebody to be publicly executed in broad day light literally in front of the Kremlin? Putin hasn't gotten this far by being stupid. I think it is pretty telling given the headlines and implications in the west, what evidence does anybody have?


Yeah it does seem kind of dumb. But why would Putin need to be covert if it's impossible to take any action against him?


The M.O. of the US has been to fund and facilitate regime change thru these color revolutions with the help of western NGOs and think tanks such as the NED which Nemstov was actually closely involved with. They've thrown every innuendo in the book at Putin, a cow farts in Russia and its Putin's fault, there has been a full blown propaganda war for years now in the US against Russia and Putin. So western propaganda and sanctions haven't worked, it has made Putin more popular so what else can they do?

Nemtsov's death was staged, straight up. It was done in such a way to gain attention, right in front of the Kremlin and St. Basil's Cathedral. It was a photo op and done with a specific purpose.

How come nobody questions the suspicious death of Michael Hastings in the US? The NSA is spying on almost every major journalist in America and for what reason? Where was the outpouring of grief and questioning there? This is all very insincere, people believe simply what they want to believe.



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01 Mar 2015, 2:37 pm

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How come nobody questions the suspicious death of Michael Hastings in the US? The NSA is spying on almost every major journalist in America and for what reason? Where was the outpouring of grief and questioning there? This is all very insincere, people believe simply what they want to believe.


The Russian media was leashed and muzzled long ago. Now they spoonfeed the public the reality-tv adventures of Givi and Motorola while publishing photoshops of NATO fighter jets shooting down MH-17. I think it's easily just as likely that the Russians did the job on Nemtsov as the Ukrainians or the CIA.



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01 Mar 2015, 2:53 pm



Here is the footage of Nemtsov's murder(apologies for saying it was broad daylight)

It is obvious whoever did this did it with extreme precision, the cleaning truck stalks them and then speeds up and stops along side them obscuring their view to the camera when the murder takes place and then a single person runs out from behind the truck into a waiting getaway car which speeds off. Whoever did this wanted Nemtsov dead in this specific spot at that specific time. They knew where he was going to be and where he was going. I would look toward Nemtsov's girlfriend for answers, nothing like having a 23 year old model on your arm for you to become careless about your surroundings and now she has amnesia? Nemtsov was a married man with children as well FWIW.



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01 Mar 2015, 4:23 pm

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It's not Russia that's accused, it's Putin.

If Putin is behind it, then 86% of the people is behind Putin. You could say that Russia as a national entity is accountable.



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01 Mar 2015, 4:45 pm

Humanaut wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
It's not Russia that's accused, it's Putin.

If Putin is behind it, then 86% of the people is behind Putin. You could say that Russia as a national entity is accountable.

Not really. Ronald Reagan was very popular in the US, but the people who supported him did not know about Iran-Contra or support the atrocities being committed by the terrorists he supported in proxy wars with the Soviets.



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01 Mar 2015, 5:09 pm

Maybe a direct nuclear confrontation would be a better long-term solution to the Russian problem.



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01 Mar 2015, 5:52 pm

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Maybe a direct nuclear confrontation would be a better long-term solution to the Russian problem.



If you're prepared for the end of civilization in North America and Europe......Plus death from radiation sickness combined with starvation, famine, and lawlessness then sure!

FYI: Nuclear confrontation with Russia back in 1983 nearly resulted in the aformentinoned actually occurring.