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06 Mar 2015, 5:06 pm

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This is a tragedy for civilization.



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06 Mar 2015, 5:24 pm

I'm a pacifist the majority of the time, but honestly, why can't the world just unite and go in and kill all of these idiots?



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06 Mar 2015, 8:45 pm

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Nimrud, about 20 miles (30 km) south of Mosul, was built around 1250 BC. Four centuries later it became capital of the neo-Assyrian empire - at the time the most powerful state on Earth, extending to modern-day Egypt, Turkey and Iran.


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Islamic State members came to the Nimrud archaeological city and looted the valuables in it and then they proceeded to level the site to the ground,” the source told Reuters.


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Many of its most famous surviving monuments were removed years ago by archaeologists, including colossal Winged Bulls which are now in London’s British Museum and hundreds of precious stones and pieces of gold which were moved to Baghdad.

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Archaeologists said it was hard to quantify the damage, because some items appeared to be replicas, but many priceless articles had been destroyed including artifacts from Hatra, a stunning pillared city in northern Iraq dating back 2,000 years



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07 Mar 2015, 1:17 am

andrethemoogle wrote:
I'm a pacifist the majority of the time, but honestly, why can't the world just unite and go in and kill all of these idiots?


Sounds good to me. Let's form the: Pacifists For Idiot Killing, or PIK! :lol:


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07 Mar 2015, 1:27 am

andrethemoogle wrote:
I'm a pacifist the majority of the time, but honestly, why can't the world just unite and go in and kill all of these idiots?

I think by now the vast majority of Americans across the country and political spectrum really would not have a problem if we just went in there and fought ISIS exactly like we fought the German and Japanese Armies 70 years ago. They are a group that does what they do because of their religious convict6ions and complete lack of even the most fundamental sense of right and wrong and destruction is the sole language they understand. This is becoming apparent even to the majority of folks who are generally anti war, I feel.



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07 Mar 2015, 1:38 am

This reminds me of the Taliban bombing those giant Buddha statues in Afghanistan.


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07 Mar 2015, 3:37 am

Thanks religious fundamentalism! :cry:



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07 Mar 2015, 5:55 am

andrethemoogle wrote:
I'm a pacifist the majority of the time, but honestly, why can't the world just unite and go in and kill all of these idiots?


They want to die as martyrs and the whole world wants them dead, so why exactly has this not happened yet?



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07 Mar 2015, 6:09 am

Like most people here I don't agree with violence, - it's generally the last resort of the incompetent - but I struggle to see any solution to ISIS apart from wiping them out. They are behaving like the barbaric hordes of the past (including the Third Reich and Imperial Japan in WW11), political or diplomatic solutions are wasted on them. The problem is twofold: a war with the West (and other countries in the Middle East) is precisely what they want; and once they have been destroyed, another group will soon appear.



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07 Mar 2015, 9:31 am

andrethemoogle wrote:
I'm a pacifist the majority of the time, but honestly, why can't the world just unite and go in and kill all of these idiots?


I second the emotion. However the ISIS thugs are constantly surrounded by innocent women and children. Any kind of weapon of mass destruction will kill more innocent folks than the ISIS thugs.

Since ISIS is dispersed geographically we cannot send in our much depleted armed forces to take them out on the ground.

The best we can hope for is a (natural) disease that kills Muslims and leaves non-Muslims alive and that is not going to happen. So we will have to learn to live with this irritant.

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07 Mar 2015, 9:47 am

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Thank God a lot of the artifacts had been pillaged in earlier archeological exploration and are now housed in Bahgdad and the British Museum, etc. But they smashed the original site which is unbelievably arrogant. That site was of value to all religions as a historic recordering of human development. They basically thumbed their nose at the whole world. But pride cometh before a fall.



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07 Mar 2015, 10:43 am

These people have done absolutely everything in their power to antagonize the entire world. So why are they not dead yet?



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07 Mar 2015, 11:08 am

ruveyn wrote:
The best we can hope for is a (natural) disease that kills Muslims and leaves non-Muslims alive and that is not going to happen. So we will have to learn to live with this irritant.

This is rather revolting.

I think we can hope for better.

I hope, for example, that as ISIS begins to fail--as it must--in all of its projects, people will cease to find it credible and a wave of unbelief will flow through the area.

ISIS has already begun to experience military defeats that erode the myth of invincibility and inevitability they have been creating. Their social programs are failing in the territory they control and the people living in those areas are realizing that Islam, or at least this particularly nasty flavor of Islam, is not a useful answer to almost any of the pressing questions of daily life.

I hope that they will rot from within as they are battered from without until the whole grotesque thing collapses.

I hope that the collapse of this monstrosity will lead to a general loss of faith in superstitious rubbish in the region and a global awakening from the nightmare fantasies of the apocalyptic faith traditions.



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07 Mar 2015, 11:19 am

Bad bulldozing, maaaaaan. :cry:

Fundamentalists of ALL stripes - not just Christian or Islamic fundies - are the problem here, and a historical tragedy like this just fuels that sort of flame. It's time religious moderation got a bit of glory, and fast.


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07 Mar 2015, 11:31 am

Hyperborean makes an excellent point. There really is no way to irradiate the problem; only one group at a time. ISIS needs to be destroyed, but the way we're going at it now with an aerial campaign only creates further hatred pf the U.S. and the West which will ensure a continued problem with militant Islamic terrorism. This is perfectly fine with the Military-Industrial complex, of course, since a perpetual state of war is profitable.

There doesn't seem to be a military solution to the problem in the long run -- there never is. Humans are capable of horrific acts of barbarity. And until some sort of radical, global shift in human consciousness occurs, that's the way it will be.


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08 Mar 2015, 10:24 am

VegetableMan wrote:
Hyperborean makes an excellent point. There really is no way to irradiate the problem; only one group at a time. ISIS needs to be destroyed, but the way we're going at it now with an aerial campaign only creates further hatred pf the U.S. and the West which will ensure a continued problem with militant Islamic terrorism. This is perfectly fine with the Military-Industrial complex, of course, since a perpetual state of war is profitable.

There doesn't seem to be a military solution to the problem in the long run -- there never is. Humans are capable of horrific acts of barbarity. And until some sort of radical, global shift in human consciousness occurs, that's the way it will be.


But hatred of the West does not turn someone into a radical Islamists. Hating the West has nothing to do with destroying Assyrian "idols", they came up with the idol-worpship stuff themselves.