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03 Apr 2015, 12:48 pm

Didn't see any thread on what seems to be pretty big deal

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/02/world/iran-nuclear-talks/

Hopefully everything holds up, diplomacy can work. We have a lot we can work with Iran together on as far as ISIS goes, it is time we stop treating them like the enemy and keep perspective on who actually poses a threat to the US. Iran poses zero threat to the US, the same can't be said the other way. What were the nationalities of the hijackers on 9/11? They weren't Iranian, Osama Bin Laden wasn't Iranian, they're not a threat.

Israel if it wants to wage a war of aggression should be left on their own, they talk about how the Iranians want to "push them into the sea" when they're the ones that have been tirelessly advocating to invade and destroy Tehran for almost 2 decades now and are an undeclared nuclear state who hasn't signed the non-proliferation treaty themselves.

If this deal holds up and it prevents war involving the US then the Obama administration and John Kerry deserve a lot of credit, they stood in the face of public opinion and Israel to ensure peace. The Iranian people are not our enemy.



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03 Apr 2015, 1:03 pm

You're right, it is a very big deal, so thanks for posting this. Your reading of the situation is pretty accurate, - or as much as any appraisal of the Middle East can be - and you make some very good points, particularly regarding the USA being more of a threat to Iran than visa versa. I read the European press regularly, and the Obama administration's efforts have received a lot of praise in Germany, which (since 1945) is a country that likes to work in a patient, conciliatory manner over the long term. Angela Merkel is impressed, and her opinion matters. As Kerry and Obama both admit, there is still a great deal of work that needs to be done, but this is a major achievement, probably the one that justifies Obama's controversial Nobel Peace Prize.

What you say is true: the Iranian people are not an enemy of the West. It's an ancient and highly cultivated nation with whom we should have far more dealings.



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03 Apr 2015, 1:05 pm

The deal is just words. Worthless.



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04 Apr 2015, 12:02 am

Will America forcefully try and stop Israel if they attack Iran during the Obama Presidency?


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04 Apr 2015, 11:56 am

Humanaut wrote:
The deal is just words. Worthless.

Worthless compared to what?



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04 Apr 2015, 3:25 pm

I don't think that's a relevant question.



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04 Apr 2015, 3:48 pm

A 98% reduction sounds unfair. 70% would be a more decent offer.



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04 Apr 2015, 6:06 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Will America forcefully try and stop Israel if they attack Iran during the Obama Presidency?


What and incite Israel to invoke the Samson Option!
Goodbye World.



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04 Apr 2015, 7:24 pm

nytimes

Shows goodwill on both sides which is something.



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04 Apr 2015, 8:14 pm

Nambo wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Will America forcefully try and stop Israel if they attack Iran during the Obama Presidency?


What and incite Israel to invoke the Samson Option!
Goodbye World.


1. If they conclude that the danger of from Iran is greater then massive price of completely losing America as an ally.

2. They figure they can disable America via cyber methods.

3. They figure no matter what America will eventually back them

Most likely they will try and wait out Obama figuring that a Republican or Hillary will be better, Like many on the spectrum I just like to think out of the box and about worst cases scenarios.


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04 Apr 2015, 8:46 pm

The last half decade has seen major upheaval in the Middle East, old allies are becoming enemies, old enemies are becoming friendly, and new power brokers are emerging. I don't hold much hope of Iran becoming an ally, not with Russia still backing them, but if we can thaw relations there are common interests we share-- trade, energy, and ISIS namely. If we can take Iran of our enemy list and put them as neutral I would view that as a victory.

All that being said, an agreement is just an agreement, we need to do our best to hold up our end and we need to let the Iranians know we expect them to hold up their end as well. If all works out in a decade or so Iran could be like Cuba is now-- not an ally but not a threat, just a neutral nation that we aren't all that concerned about and vice versa.