rowan county [KY] court clerk defies supreme court
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Why does it always seem that the biggest hypocrites are the staunchest Bible thumpers?
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Cause they are born again!
Those who have been faithful from the get go tend to be more accepting and uphold what they preach.
Also this woman makes ~$80,000 with benefits doing this job.
She is gathering support from across the nation, which many have started gathering outside the courthouse/jail
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They probably are just overzealous types who need to take up the cause to defend their perception of reality.
They are literally picketing outside of the courthouse to get her freed.
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Wow, I actually wasn't expecting a jail sentence to be handed out so quickly. I thought she'd be fined first; even the plaintiffs were only seeking a fine. That said, I can understand Judge Bunning's reasoning. Davis made it clear that, fine or no fine, she would continue to not carry out her duties in compliance with federal law. The only choice left for the judge was to remove Davis from her office until she agreed to do her job or resign. It's fine for people to have sincerely held religious beliefs, even while holding office; it's another thing entirely to use those beliefs to justify not doing your job as a government official, at taxpayers' expense. Either do your job or step down.
I also read – on the Fox News website, no less – that the other clerks in the marriage office were made to declare whether or not they would give marriage licences to same-sex couples. All but one agreed to do it, with the sole holdout being Davis' son who also works in the office. The judge said that this was acceptable and even offered to spare Davis from jail if she agreed not to get in the way of allowing the other clerks to sign those licences, but she declined his offer.
There's speculation that the Kentucky state legislature might consider legislation allowing clerks to opt out of signing marriage licences for same-sex couples, when it reconvenes next year (which is weird, since it's only September now). If Kentucky goes down that route, hopefully they include a provision that another clerk in the same office must be available to sign those licences.
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On another note, a lot of people have been criticising her for religious views on marriage in light of her previous divorces. If they happened while she was a practicing Christian, then I'd call her hypocritical. But since they all happened before her conversion to Christianity, I myself wouldn't call her religious views on marriage hypocritical. People have the right to change their beliefs over time: that's how SSM went from majority opposition to majority support in countries like the US within a mere 10 years.
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another aspect of her hypocrisy is her saying marriage is ok for her and her ilk but not for anybody else, 'cept for the odd transgender couple
It's not a sentence per se. It's coercion. But she could be in prison for a year or so before a compelling argument could be made that it's not working.
Correct, and they may join her in custody if they don't comply.
Not having someone on hand to sign them might be construed as unconstitutional.
On another note, a lot of people have been criticising her for religious views on marriage in light of her previous divorces. If they happened while she was a practicing Christian, then I'd call her hypocritical. But since they all happened before her conversion to Christianity, I myself wouldn't call her religious views on marriage hypocritical. People have the right to change their beliefs over time: that's how SSM went from majority opposition to majority support in countries like the US within a mere 10 years.
I've mocked her for that, sure.
But if she is a practicing christian now, she has a very selective reading of the bible.
Not Even the Bible Can Protect Kim Davis. Here's Why.
Her oath of office is pretty clear, and it's pretty clear that she broke it.
A different take on things:
Yet a Christian struggling to come to terms with the implications of a decision that the Supreme Court reached only a couple of months ago—and our progressive president embraced only a couple of years ago—is hauled off to jail. In the end, the state is creating martyrs. Christians will have no choice but to take more obstinate positions in these battles of the culture war—battles that could easily have been avoided if a judge had exhibited more compassion and come to an accommodation. There are about 125 other marriage clerks in Kentucky who can issue licenses to gay couples. And they should.
https://reason.com/archives/2015/09/04/ ... ed-when-it
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^ I suppose that's like the state attorneys-general in the US who refused to defend state prohibitions on same-sex marriage when they were challenged in federal courts. One could argue that their refusals amounted to the same kind of dereliction of duty that Karen Davis was convicted for. In some of those states legislators were allowed to defend such bans when their attorney-general wouldn't. But California's attorney-general refused to defend Prop 8 in federal court, and the US Supreme Court later ruled that none of the people who subsequently stepped in to defend Prop 8 had legal standing to do so – which led to Prop 8 being overturned.
Were they allowed to refuse to defend their own state's laws? I don't know enough about US law to decide for myself. That Karen Davis broke the law is clear, from the lawsuits that were filed in federal court. Perhaps that's the best way to decide.
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This bit OTOH ...
The judge did try to come to an accommodation: he offered to spare Davis from jail if she agreed not to hinder her deputy clerks from issuing licences to same-sex couples. Davis refused, and then all the judge could do was enforce the law. In Kentucky, it's the state legislature's job to provide such accommodation to objecting clerks. If they go down this route, hopefully they'll also require that another clerk is available in that office to issue licences to same-sex couples; I'd hate to see US government offices start telling people "we don't serve your kind here".
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What a gal, an absolute martyr... bet shes lovin all the attention.
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Christians: Maintaining the moral high ground whilst reinterpreting the Bible for millenia......
All in the name of Godly tolerance ..... Bless `em
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