rowan county [KY] court clerk defies supreme court
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As Obama is no longer bound by the fear of losing the next election, I see no reason why he shouldn't send in the national guard. He will be remembered for the rest of history as a President who took a stand for civil rights, if he does. Bill Clinton would give his soul for that sort of historical legacy, as his - despite his accomplishments - will always be first and foremost a seaman stained blue dress.
back in the day he probably would have been impeached had he gotten his semen on a seaman [couldn't resist ] anyways, this woman fancies herself as another George Wallace.
Okay, you got me!
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sorry I was just trying to shed a little humor on an otherwise humorless situation. I am so worried about where this is heading.
Oh no, you have nothing to apologize for; I took it in good humor.
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I know you're not illiterate, so try going back and reading the context of that quote and the one I was replying to, and take another crack at what I actually said.
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I know you're not illiterate, so try going back and reading the context of that quote and the one I was replying to, and take another crack at what I actually said.
No, I saw what you wrote. I just chose to address your claim that the inconvenience of her being thrown into jail was worse than gay marriages - which are now legal - not being recognized by her.
As for your primary point: there is in fact a difference between those people who refuse to support one law, as compared to those who refuse to support another. And that is, if the law is blatantly discriminatory against other people for what ever reason, then those people have the moral right on their side, which those who oppose a law that enforces the rights of others do not have. It's a matter of right and wrong. And no, this is not my notion about how the law works; rather it's just what I honestly believe to be right, for what it's worth. Just the same, anyone who opposes a law should be ready to accept the legal consequences.
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No, you didn't, or you wouldn't be responding to an argument I didn't actually make. This kind of thing is why I consider "arguing" with you to be such a waste of my time, it's like trying to play a board game with someone who tears up the rule book but insists they're "winning".
Let me break it down for you, and please try and follow along if you can.
I posted this some time ago:
AspE responded with this:
To which I replied:
Thus, in context, it's quite clear the victimless crime I was referring to was smoking pot, not Kim Davis going to Jail (thought I do think that was overkill for civil contempt), and once again you've put words in my mouth and claimed I've made statements that I have not. Given that your initial reply to my quote actually included the AspE quote about smoking Js (viewtopic.php?f=21&t=292235&start=75#p6772123), you have even less of an excuse than usual.
So, once again, here we are. Are you maliciously putting words in my mouth? Is your reading comprehension so bad that you don't actually understand what is being said? Are you angry and are trying to piss me off again? Are you just not a very smart guy? A combination? None of this is new, it's been going on a long time, I've pointed it out before, and the fact that you're in the equivalent of my rec room constantly insulting my friends and acquaintances kind of rules out ignoring you.
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Since we're talking about homophobia, consider the following new study regarding co-morbidity:
http://news.yahoo.com/homophobic-people ... 32115.html
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No, you didn't, or you wouldn't be responding to an argument I didn't actually make. This kind of thing is why I consider "arguing" with you to be such a waste of my time, it's like trying to play a board game with someone who tears up the rule book but insists they're "winning".
Let me break it down for you, and please try and follow along if you can.
I posted this some time ago:
AspE responded with this:
To which I replied:
Thus, in context, it's quite clear the victimless crime I was referring to was smoking pot, not Kim Davis going to Jail (thought I do think that was overkill for civil contempt), and once again you've put words in my mouth and claimed I've made statements that I have not. Given that your initial reply to my quote actually included the AspE quote about smoking Js (viewtopic.php?f=21&t=292235&start=75#p6772123), you have even less of an excuse than usual.
So, once again, here we are. Are you maliciously putting words in my mouth? Is your reading comprehension so bad that you don't actually understand what is being said? Are you angry and are trying to piss me off again? Are you just not a very smart guy? A combination? None of this is new, it's been going on a long time, I've pointed it out before, and the fact that you're in the equivalent of my rec room constantly insulting my friends and acquaintances kind of rules out ignoring you.
Okay, I thought you were referring to your immediate post. I admit I was wrong, oh flawless one. My only excuse is that I was a little drunk last night (and yes, I concede that I might have a problem), and so my perception of things was not what it should have been. But in my defense, you had seemingly taken the side of that Hungarian b*tch who was kicking and tripping desperate Syrian refugees in another thread - or at least you were attacking me for condemning her - and so I assumed you would side with someone because she or he was on your blessed (libertarian) right.
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No, you didn't, or you wouldn't be responding to an argument I didn't actually make. This kind of thing is why I consider "arguing" with you to be such a waste of my time, it's like trying to play a board game with someone who tears up the rule book but insists they're "winning".
Let me break it down for you, and please try and follow along if you can.
I posted this some time ago:
AspE responded with this:
To which I replied:
Thus, in context, it's quite clear the victimless crime I was referring to was smoking pot, not Kim Davis going to Jail (thought I do think that was overkill for civil contempt), and once again you've put words in my mouth and claimed I've made statements that I have not. Given that your initial reply to my quote actually included the AspE quote about smoking Js (viewtopic.php?f=21&t=292235&start=75#p6772123), you have even less of an excuse than usual.
So, once again, here we are. Are you maliciously putting words in my mouth? Is your reading comprehension so bad that you don't actually understand what is being said? Are you angry and are trying to piss me off again? Are you just not a very smart guy? A combination? None of this is new, it's been going on a long time, I've pointed it out before, and the fact that you're in the equivalent of my rec room constantly insulting my friends and acquaintances kind of rules out ignoring you.
In all fairness, I've read the sentence in question a few times and have yet to take anything away from it other than a direct Kim Davis reference. I guess that make me illiterate.
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Well, you can read the words and piece together what they mean, so the problem isn't literacy, it's that you didn't read the whole exchange in context and so took the wrong meaning, which is not uncommon on the internet, but when the same person does it to you in the same way for 5 years and counting, ones patience for it tends to wear a little thin.
Here's the tl;dr version; Kim Davis was wrong to refuse the licenses, but people are being hypocrites by invoking federal law and calling her GOP supporters lawless when they themselves support WA and CO legalizing weed, sanctuary cities thumbing their noses at federal immigration law, etc. I happen to support legal weed and open borders, I just also support being logically consistent, and more importantly, fair.
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There's that projection again; I don't pick my "sides" based on politics, that's you, I do it based on what's fair, and taking one bad moment out of of someone's life and judging their entire person on it is not fair at all, and you do it all the time. Not just you either, people like you, which means I spend a lot of my time busting lib/prog chops here, which is ironic given the mantle of tolerance and respect that faction constantly bestows upon itself.
The really stupid thing here is that I'm not even right wing, I'm barely even libertarian at this point anymore, I'm to your left on foreign policy, criminal justice, immigration, civil liberties, and a myriad other issues, but you're so mule stubborn in your black and white red/blue left/right viewpoint that you literally cannot process that, like what my head does when I look at a very complex algebraic equation and my eyes cross and brain goes fuzzy. The difference being that I know I suck at algebra and don't try to hold forth on it or tell people who are good at it that they're doing it wrong; you should emulate that example.
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Kim Davis is now back at work. While she maintains her personal objection to issuing or signing licences for same-sex couples, for the moment she isn't stopping her deputy clerks from issuing them. She also questions the validity of the licences that she hasn't signed, although others maintain that they are. Hopefully the Kentucky state legislature sorts this all out in January, and then Rowan County can go back to being an otherwise unremarkable part of the state.
Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/15/us/ki ... .html?_r=0
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Well, you can read the words and piece together what they mean, so the problem isn't literacy, it's that you didn't read the whole exchange in context and so took the wrong meaning, which is not uncommon on the internet, but when the same person does it to you in the same way for 5 years and counting, ones patience for it tends to wear a little thin.
A fair point. My context was framed by the thread subject as a whole. Just playing devils advocate in that the wording was ambiguous such that it could be construed both in relation to Kim Davis and to MJ. In such an ambiguity, I defaulted to the core thread subject. Apologies.
As to your argument, the way I'd explain my ambiguity with regard to applying the supremacy clause would be to point out in the 14th Amendment, where it states:
As I interpret that, the states cannot take away rights granted on the federal level, but it says nothing about states granting rights that don't exist at the federal level. As such, Davis is in violation of a federal right granted in June and has been rightfully punished. Washington and Colorado (and Oregon, Alaska, etc.) are in violation of federal law, but they are granting residents a right to enjoy MJ responsibly that the feds don't allow. They're not taking rights away, and thus I am okay with it.
I am willing to consider different views on this, though.
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