Re: FBI ran massive child porn website to catch pedophiles

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24 Jan 2016, 4:36 am

[This thread is referring to the news story here:
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I am glad that they are taking these perverts out of society. They should stick them in general population where true justice will be handed down. By giving them a taste of their own medicine. These children will be emotionally scarred for the rest of their lives. They probably need many years of therapy.



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24 Jan 2016, 12:38 pm

A more accurate description would be:

"FBI took over massive child porn website and let it function for an additional 14 days to catch criminals using it rather than shutting it down immediately".

Given that the content would likely simply be posted on other websites, shutting down this particular server probably wouldn't remove much (if any) child pornography from circulation. It did - however - provide the FBI with a unique opportunity to track and identify specific criminals.

That being said, it does seem like a less than optimal use of resources, as it would make more sense for the FBI to target producers of child pornography rather than the viewers of it.

I haven't been able to find many details about the individuals arrested, but if they were "only" viewers of child pornography and not producers, then it's not really much of a catch... Given the publicity surrounding this case, it will likely be difficult for the FBI to use similar tactics in the future, so one would at least hope that they managed to catch some major players.



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24 Jan 2016, 2:03 pm

Seems like an almost trivially low return rate on a non-trivial expenditure except for two things in my mind:

- If they can convict a single pedophile/child rapist the cost is likely not too dissimilar to a full real world sting operation that might only net one conviction. If out of those 137 they gain multiple convictions it was well worth it in my opinion. Children are among the most vulnerable people and pedophiles are often among the most socially adept at not getting caught.

- If the complained "excess" is that they left the site running for two weeks rather than just grab the user list and shut it down, it's a false excess. By keeping the site up - which takes a trivial amount of manpower, btw - they were likely able to show *repeated* logins by the same real world person and run the necessary ISP traces to prove who that person was. If they'd taken it down immediately, it's likely good lawyers would simply say the pedophile/child molester visited (a deep web site!) by accident and never went back, or it was otherwise a case of mistaken identity.


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24 Jan 2016, 3:30 pm

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One of the 137 charged, however, says that it’s really the FBI that’s to blame. In a court filing, a lawyer for Jay Michaud, a former middle school who was arrested in the sting, arguing that “what the government did in this case is comparable to flooding a neighborhood with heroin in the hope of snatching an assortment of low-level drug users.” The lawyer, Colin Fieman, asked a federal judge to dismiss child pornography charges against his client. The judge is set to hear arguments related to that that request on Friday.


What a load of rubbish. They were REGISTERED users. It's not remotely analogous to "flooding a neighborhood with heroin in the hope of snatching an assortment of low-level drug users." It's more like the government taking over a private membership club from drug dealers and keeping it open for a few weeks to see who the active membership is.

This guy did not innocently have pre-K porn thrust on him by the government, he sought it out actively, registering for the site. I'm sure the judge will reject this absurd argument.



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24 Jan 2016, 9:44 pm

For all the FBI did on this operation about half of that 137 better be be convictable producers. Otherwise they've helped to spread porn more than anything.


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24 Jan 2016, 10:35 pm

I hope that these perverts are treated the same way in prison the same way they treated those children. In prison, child ponographers are "targeted" by the other prisoners. They deserve to pay for their crimes in prison from the other prisoners in general population.



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24 Jan 2016, 11:58 pm

Reminds me of how the FBI, decades ago, had either infiltrated the various KKK organizations, or had even founded some, by which they were able to get a handle on white supremacist terrorism. With it came a great many prosecutions, and ultimately helped in the Klan's decline.


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25 Jan 2016, 1:43 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Reminds me of how the FBI, decades ago, had either infiltrated the various KKK organizations, or had even founded some, by which they were able to get a handle on white supremacist terrorism. With it came a great many prosecutions, and ultimately helped in the Klan's decline.



I agree. One of these small time peverts would lead to some large time pervert child pornography group. Then stick them in general population for a dose of jailhouse justice.



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25 Jan 2016, 1:53 pm

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WASHINGTON — For nearly two weeks last year, the FBI operated what it described as one of the Internet’s largest child pornography websites, allowing users to download thousands of illicit images and videos from a government site in the Washington suburbs.
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The Justice Department acknowledged in court filings that the FBI operated the site, known as Playpen, from Feb. 20 to March 4, 2015. At the time, the site had more than 215,000 registered users and included links to more than 23,000 sexually explicit images and videos of children, including more than 9,000 files that users could download directly from the FBI. Some of the images described in court filings involved children barely old enough for kindergarten.
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But they have also prompted a backlash of a different kind. In a court filing, a lawyer for one of the men arrested after the FBI sting charged that “what the government did in this case is comparable to flooding a neighborhood with heroin in the hope of snatching an assortment of low-level drug users.” The defense lawyer, Colin Fieman, asked a federal judge to throw out child pornography charges against his client, former middle school teacher Jay Michaud. A federal judge is scheduled to hear arguments on that request Friday.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016 ... /79108346/



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25 Jan 2016, 8:13 pm

Raptor wrote:
For all the FBI did on this operation about half of that 137 better be be convictable producers. Otherwise they've helped to spread porn more than anything.


This.