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24 Jan 2016, 7:53 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/17-year-old-charged-with-canada-mass-shooting-after-four-killed-in-saskatchewan-school-a6830396.html

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A 17-year-old boy has been charged after a mass shooting which left four people dead and seven injured in Saskatchewan, Canada.

Canadian police confirmed the teenager faces four first-degree murder charges and seven charges of attempted murder after the shooting at a house and school in La Loche.

La Loche Community School teachers Marie Janvier, 21 and Adam Wood, 35, and brothers Dayne and Drayden Fontaine, aged 17 and 13 respectively, were killed in the shooting on Friday.

The gunman cannot be named because of his age.

Good thing their guns laws are alot more strict than ours.

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24 Jan 2016, 3:05 pm

Campin_Cat wrote:

Good thing their guns laws are alot more strict than ours.

Not a very strong argument since the data shows 3 mass shootings with 3 fatalities and 24 other casualties in Canada in the period from 2000 to 2014 while the US had 133 mass shootings with 487 fatalities and 505 other casualties in the same period... We have roughly 10 times their population but 100 times their fatalities from mass shootings.

The data seems to suggest that it is a good thing (for them) that their gun laws are more strict than ours.

The Second Amendment and Supreme Court say the point is moot.

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24 Jan 2016, 7:56 pm

Adamantium wrote:

We have roughly 10 times their population but 100 times their fatalities from mass shootings.

The data seems to suggest that it is a good thing (for them) that their gun laws are more strict than ours.

Actually, if you look at their gun ownership rate, they're not that far off of us, so it's more suggestive of a cultural difference than anything else.

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24 Jan 2016, 8:09 pm

Dox47 wrote:

Adamantium wrote:

Actually, if you look at their gun ownership rate, they're not that far off of us, so it's more suggestive of a cultural difference than anything else.

I agree and I suspect their willingness to live with more controls over guns is part of the cultural difference. There is a huge difference between those who favor rational gun control and those who are anti-gun, though is often lost on both sides in the gun control debate in the US.

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24 Jan 2016, 9:34 pm

Adamantium wrote:

The data seems to suggest that it is a good thing (for them) that their gun laws are more strict than ours.

Has little or nothing with it. Canadian society in general is noticeably more serene than it is down here. Anybody that's been to both countries can tell you that. They could have little to no gun laws in Canada and it wouldn't change much.

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There is a huge difference between those who favor rational gun control and those who are anti-gun, though is often lost on both sides in the gun control debate in the US.

"Rational gun control" is always anti gun when we see what all it entails.
In case no one told you, we already have gun control which goes beyond "rational".
Just to name one thing that is irrational, you can get 10 years in the federal pen for owning an unregistered suppressor (silencer).

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25 Jan 2016, 7:42 am

Good to see no time is being wasted on sympathy for the victims. :roll:

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25 Jan 2016, 9:05 am

It's too bad Canada seems influenced by US trends in the area of mass shootings.

There's good and bad in any filial relationship.

I don't think I'd feel good if I were the victim of a mass shooting. I don't want to die before my time.

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25 Jan 2016, 2:21 pm

androbot01 wrote:

Good to see no time is being wasted on sympathy for the victims. :roll:

By you either; you'd rather judge others than offer your own sympathy.

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25 Jan 2016, 2:39 pm

Dox47 wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

Good to see no time is being wasted on sympathy for the victims. :roll:

By you either; you'd rather judge others than offer your own sympathy.

Well, the cat was already out of the bag by the time I got here. Honestly, this gun debate, I just don't get it. Is there actually a fear in the States that the populace will have to rise up against the government? I'm not for gun control. It would be a waste of time and resources, but why such a passionate love for guns?

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25 Jan 2016, 6:44 pm

I think it stems from the 2nd Amendment to the Bill of Rights, passed in 1790.

It also stems from our revolutionary, and our frontier past: we had to "bear arms" in order to ward off the British and ward off the Native Americans (whom we were pushing off their lands).

It's also a matter of personal sovereignty. There's a strong undercurrent of resistance to governmental intervention.

"Gun control" is seen in America as being a matter of "personal sovereignty." It is also seen as unwelcome governmental intervention in peoples' lives.

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25 Jan 2016, 7:10 pm

androbot01 wrote:

... but why such a passionate love for guns?

Honestly, I'd happily just own and use the things without all the drama, but idiots keep trying to take them away from me, so here we are.

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25 Jan 2016, 7:15 pm

Adamantium wrote:

I agree and I suspect their willingness to live with more controls over guns is part of the cultural difference.

I'd put a finer point on it; Canadians are more willing to live with greater government control period, and are more trusting of authority generally.

Adamantium wrote:

There is a huge difference between those who favor rational gun control and those who are anti-gun, though is often lost on both sides in the gun control debate in the US.

I'm afraid that the history of gun control makes that so; I don't care if you're for "rational" gun control or a foaming at the mouth hoplophobe, if you're proposing gun control, I'm going to oppose it because the end is the same either way. It really doesn't help that people favoring gun control invariably know nothing of guns, I've spent years looking for that knowledgeable anti-gunner, and have yet to find them.

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25 Jan 2016, 7:20 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

It also stems from our revolutionary, and our frontier past: we had to "bear arms" in order to ward off the British and ward off the Native Americans (whom we were pushing off their lands).
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...It is also seen as unwelcome governmental intervention in peoples' lives.

In Canada we sided with the British, so we didn't have to fight off anything. I'm descended from United Empire Loyalists.

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I'd put a finer point on it; Canadians are more willing to live with greater government control period, and are more trusting of authority generally.

I'd agree with that. We have a sense of diplomacy.

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27 Jan 2016, 2:48 pm

androbot01 wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

In Canada we sided with the British, so we didn't have to fight off anything. I'm descended from United Empire Loyalists.

Dox47 wrote:

I'd put a finer point on it; Canadians are more willing to live with greater government control period, and are more trusting of authority generally.

I'd agree with that. We have a sense of diplomacy.

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27 Jan 2016, 3:01 pm

Lets not make generalizations about comparing the U.S. population to the Canadian population, we're hardly one people and we cover a vast region with a population of 300 million plus while Canada is basically a European country with a very homogeneous population and only a population of 35 million.

I'm just numb to mass shootings, they happen so often now.

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