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28 Mar 2016, 5:55 pm

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016 ... ith-apple/

The U.S. Department of Justice and FBI have withdrawn their case against Apple a short time ago.
The FBI claims they have hacked the iPhone 5c in question with the help of an Israeli firm.

The FBI and U.S. Department of Justice will not reveal what was discovered on that iPhone 5c.

It is widely believed the U.S. Department of Justice and FBI were on course to lose the case, due to them purposely changing the iCloud and iPhone passwords and passcodes while in their custody to force the issue in court.
Fearing the U.S. Federal Courts would set a legal precedent in the favor of encryption and the dwindling public support the case has been withdrawn from court.


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28 Mar 2016, 6:47 pm

It's a simple hack ... if you have an engineering background ... and about a quarter-million dollars' worth of analytical instrumentation ...:wink:


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28 Mar 2016, 6:49 pm

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It's a simple hack ... if you have an engineering background ... and about a quarter-million dollars' worth of analytical instrumentation ...:wink:

Well the DoJ Tweeted it's something they can only do once on that phone.


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28 Mar 2016, 8:05 pm

xenocity wrote:
Fnord wrote:
It's a simple hack ... if you have an engineering background ... and about a quarter-million dollars' worth of analytical instrumentation ...:wink:
Well the DoJ Tweeted it's something they can only do once on that phone.
Heh! Once is all you need!


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30 Mar 2016, 5:10 am

I think that Apple should update their software on their IPhones and stop the "leak" in their phones now exposed by the Department of Justice. People buy Apple products because they expect a level privacy in their products.



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30 Mar 2016, 5:14 am

xenocity wrote:
Fnord wrote:
It's a simple hack ... if you have an engineering background ... and about a quarter-million dollars' worth of analytical instrumentation ...:wink:

Well the DoJ Tweeted it's something they can only do once on that phone.


How are they going to keep that a secret?



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30 Mar 2016, 5:22 am

Apple want the FBI to tell them how the phone was hacked so they can look into it as a possible security flaw.

So they refuse to help the FBI track down terrorists but want the FBI to help them secure their phones. Only a company like Apple could be so arrogant.



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30 Mar 2016, 5:35 am

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Apple want the FBI to tell them how the phone was hacked so they can look into it as a possible security flaw.

So they refuse to help the FBI track down terrorists but want the FBI to help them secure their phones. Only a company like Apple could be so arrogant.



I disagree. The company is looking out for their customers and programming secrets. If the FBI wants to see what information inside phone do it the legal way. Have the FBI/DoJ go to a judge and ask for a warrant forcing Apple to open the phone under Apple's supervision. Now everyone knows how to open a I-Phone if this information leaks out.



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30 Mar 2016, 6:06 am

frenchmanflats wrote:
I disagree. The company is looking out for their customers and programming secrets. If the FBI wants to see what information inside phone do it the legal way. Have the FBI/DoJ go to a judge and ask for a warrant forcing Apple to open the phone under Apple's supervision. Now everyone knows how to open a I-Phone if this information leaks out.


There's no secrets at play in what the FBI wanted Apple to do, in fact it was actually quite a trivial request. The FBI were in the process of doing it the legal way but it became moot when they got the data anyway. Only Apple would have been able to do this anyway, there is nothing to "leak out" that would allow anyone to unlock the iPhones.



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30 Mar 2016, 8:52 pm

frenchmanflats wrote:
Chichikov wrote:
Apple want the FBI to tell them how the phone was hacked so they can look into it as a possible security flaw.

So they refuse to help the FBI track down terrorists but want the FBI to help them secure their phones. Only a company like Apple could be so arrogant.



I disagree. The company is looking out for their customers and programming secrets. If the FBI wants to see what information inside phone do it the legal way. Have the FBI/DoJ go to a judge and ask for a warrant forcing Apple to open the phone under Apple's supervision. Now everyone knows how to open a I-Phone if this information leaks out.


Agreed, that is the proper, Constitutional way of doing it.



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31 Mar 2016, 12:57 am

Chichikov wrote:
frenchmanflats wrote:
I disagree. The company is looking out for their customers and programming secrets. If the FBI wants to see what information inside phone do it the legal way. Have the FBI/DoJ go to a judge and ask for a warrant forcing Apple to open the phone under Apple's supervision. Now everyone knows how to open a I-Phone if this information leaks out.


There's no secrets at play in what the FBI wanted Apple to do, in fact it was actually quite a trivial request. The FBI were in the process of doing it the legal way but it became moot when they got the data anyway. Only Apple would have been able to do this anyway, there is nothing to "leak out" that would allow anyone to unlock the iPhones.


Why was the FBI so heavy handed about it? Apple would complied with the request if they were asked nicely. I am willing to bet that this information will leak out with in a year. There is no such things as secrets in the government. They should of done it the old fashioned way. Go to a federal judge and ask for a warrant.



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31 Mar 2016, 1:03 am

I wonder how soon apple will up their game?



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31 Mar 2016, 3:20 am

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Apple would complied with the request if they were asked nicely.

That's pure speculation on your part and given Apple's words and actions over this it is blatantly not true.



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31 Mar 2016, 3:25 am

Chichikov wrote:
frenchmanflats wrote:
Apple would complied with the request if they were asked nicely.

That's pure speculation on your part and given Apple's words and actions over this it is blatantly not true.



Many companies comply with the federal government daily. But the FBI had to be a bunch of pricks about the situation. There would have been a negotiated settlement between DoJ and Apple if they went to a federal arbitrator.The Federal Arbitration Act requires that where the parties have agreed to arbitrate instead of going to court. The Federal Arbitration Act is an act of Congress that provides for judicial facilitation of private dispute resolution through arbitration. You cannot appeal a ruling. People usually chose that route because they do not want a long case which will cost a lot of money. I once was a party of an arbitration of a case and I won. Partly because I had a stellar lawyer. The plaintiff was deported because it was found during the proceedings that he was an illegal alien. The judge is usually a retired judge.This would have been a good case.



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31 Mar 2016, 4:08 am

frenchmanflats wrote:
Many companies comply with the federal government daily.


Not Apple though. The were asked to help and they refused, further more they dug their heels in substantially. You can't possibly say that they would have done what the FBI wanted if "asked nicely".

As for arbitration etc it's likely the FBI were trying to establish some kind of legal precedent in case the same issue came up again in the future. The FBI etc don't have time to spend weeks on end in arbitration proceedings every time Apple refuses to help them in their duties.



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31 Mar 2016, 4:20 am

Chichikov wrote:
frenchmanflats wrote:
Many companies comply with the federal government daily.


Not Apple though. The were asked to help and they refused, further more they dug their heels in substantially. You can't possibly say that they would have done what the FBI wanted if "asked nicely".

As for arbitration etc it's likely the FBI were trying to establish some kind of legal precedent in case the same issue came up again in the future. The FBI etc don't have time to spend weeks on end in arbitration proceedings every time Apple refuses to help them in their duties.



Arbitration does not take weeks. Its very fast,quick and cheap. Again I should know who been through it. The judge makes the decision within 2 weeks maximum. There is no appeal of decision which also reduces cost and time. That is the beauty of it. The other guy when he was found out he he was an illegal alien he was deported.I did end up dating my attorney weeks later. She was a looker. She still my attorney.