Trump/NRA: Hillary plans to disarm America!

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/20/politics/ ... sociation/

Trump today at the NRA both stated Hillary is planning to disarm America of all of it's guns, giving America to the criminals.
Single mothers will be endangered if Hillary and Democrats win in November... According to Trump.

Trump has pledged to rid the country of gun control regulation and gun free zones to preserve the full meaning of the 2nd Amendment.


He officially nicknamed Hillary as Heartless Hillary (Sanders is nicknamed The Villain of Vermont)...

He's vowing to make gun rights a major part of his campaign, now that the NRA has endorsed him.

Smart move. Hillary has explicitly called for repealing the PLCAA, which would effectively end gun manufacturing in America due to ruinous frivolous lawsuits, and said she'd litmus test any SCOTUS justices she appoints on repealing Heller; this is arguably the most extreme anti gun position ever taken by a major party nominee, and should be a major campaign issue. Personally, Trump has allayed many of my fears about him by posting his potential list of SCOTUS nominees, and though he's far from my ideal candidate, I'll likely vote for him based on the gun issue and who he's running against.

Trump will change his tune if necessary to placate his base.

Sanders has already hit Clinton on not wiling to go far enough to prevent gun crimes.

A Jury already ruled in a recent case, stating that gun shops are responsible for what their customers do.

Isn't anyone responsible for their own actions in liberal utopia? Does the possession of a firearm cause a law abiding citizen to pursue violent criminal activity? Gun stores should only be held responsible for violating the laws that apply to them, such as background checks and record-keeping. This is just the latest example of the malady that has affected us for the past 7 years now of finding a scapegoat rather than attacking the problem directly.

Obama has been coming after your guns for almost 8 years now. That was a great strategy. It made gun manufacturers a butt load of money every time there was a mass shooting here in America. I wonder how long they can keep using this strategy before gun nuts catch on?

We "gun nuts" (as you call us) won't have to worry anymore once Trump gets in - that's how long.

I agree.

I wish I could believe in sudden conversions at the age of 69, but I can't. Trump is the same corrupt big-government 'progressive' serial liar he's always been – exactly like his old friend Hillary. There ain't a dime's worth of difference between them.

Obama has been stuck with a GOP congress and bigger SCOTUS fish to fry, and his appointments have still been anti 2nd Amendment. Just to clarify, do you actually know anything about guns and gun politics?

Trump's base like guns, why would he have to change any tunes?

Why is what Bernie said about Hillary relevant here? We've got decades of Hillary on the record here, her antipathy towards guns is not in question.

Sometimes judges and juries don't read the laws before they make decisions; unless actual negligence is involved, you can't sue a gun dealer or manufacturer for what a customer they made a legal sale to does, just like you can't sue Ford if you get hit by a drunk.

The Democrats have gone off the deep end, they're extremist open borders gun grabbing police state stooges of Wall Street. They've really painted themselves into a corner by placating to their 'progressive' base, far more than the Republicans have to theirs because in the end this is still a culturally conservative country in most parts of this country. Maybe this open borders anti-gun stuff will play in places Berkley, Madison, Ithaca, Ann Arbor, but outside of those bubble communities they will laughed out the building.

Regarding the Second Amendment, no retreat, no surrender. This issue alone will propel Trump to the presidency. Now more than ever, Americans understand just how sacred the Second Amendment is to this country's freedoms.

There has been two cases of it.

One was brought buy Milwaukee police officers who claim the gun store illegally sold guns to those who by law weren't allowed to have guns.
Those who bought the guns used them in crimes and against the police.
The Judge in WI ruled that any gun shop that doesn't perform full background checks is negligent and in violation of the law.
The jury found them guilty and the shop is appealing.
http://gawker.com/milwaukee-cops-sue-gu ... 1736170656

The other was a MO mother, who's mentally ill daughter was sold a gun that was used to commit murder.
Obviously the daughter was mentally ill enough, that she couldn't stand trial.
MO Supreme Court said the mother and victims could sue because any gun shop that doesn't perform full background checks is negligent and in violation of the law.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/cr ... 61837.html

Both shops are appealing on the grounds that all background and gun regulations and checks are unconstitutional.
Both will reach SCOTUS any day now.


With the majority of the country fed up with gun violence and wanting tighter gun control laws, it's only a matter of time before gun control happens.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-e ... O220160113

Gun control is never going to happen, you are fool if you think that the American people are clamoring for it.

No, the media and the coastal 'progressives' want more gun control whereas the rest of America wants their rights protected and even more gun rights. The state of Arizona allows constitutional carry, you don't need a license to own or use a gun yet similar sized metro areas out with very strict gun control are like Mogadishu in comparison.

Total loser issue for the Democrats, same with open borders

You guys are so delusional that you think you have a mandate but you don't and that's why Donald Trump has made you all look so stupid. I guess Donald is clearly the smartest man in the room.

And how do you propose to end all the gun related violence and deaths that go up each year In the U.S. and it's bordering countries.

The public in Canada, U.S. and Mexico are sick of all the mass shootings caused by American guns each year with the number on the rise.

There is no open border policy per say, there is a cap on direct immigration.

Though the U.S. House of Representatives massively raised the cap by 4x on high skilled worker visas which was demanded by the conservative members of the GOP in order to pass the last spending bill to fund the Federal Government until after the elections.
The conservative members of the GOP promised to shut down the government if said provision was removed from the spending bill by Senate.

Agriculture, Hospitality, Construction, and Food Industries are the biggest importers of illegal immigrants.
Illegal immigrants make up the majority of the workers in these industries.

There is over 1 Million foreign visa workers working in IT and Engineering as these industries outsource mid and lower level work to save money.

The conservatives pushed Speaker Boehner in 2012 to cut funding by large amount to immigration, border patrol, USDA, FDA, and Department of Commerce to prevent them all from enforcing labor and immigration laws.
The CEOs of those industries says they cannot afford to operate without illegal and visa laborers.

I could give two ****s about what Canadians and Mexicans think about guns in this country. I don't these cartels are using hunting rifles, they're using sophisticated military-grade equipment and often outgun the police and military. The Zetas in fact are former elite Mexican special forces that use to be bodyguards to the Gulf Cartel until they realized they could cut the middle man out. All these alphabet soup agencies have their fingers in drug trafficking, there was a working relationship between the US government and the Sinoloa Cartel which was the one El Chapo headed. The ATF straight up gave weapons to Mexican cartels and oddly enough lost track of them almost instantly and it ended up killing or border patrol agents and countless Mexicans of course. Our government bares that responsibility, our 2nd Amendment is not the problem and it is clear in our constitution that are right the bare arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

If you want proof gun control doesn't work, LOOK AT MEXICO! It is illegal to defend yourself there, look at the violence put on by these multi-generational criminals and I don't have as easy of a go if the Mexican people were free to defend themselves. Look at Jamaica which completely banned guns, it has among highest murder rates in the world. It doesn't work, why Europe doesn't have as much violence because they were completely heterogeneous until not to long ago so it would be like living with a bunch of cousins and there isn't that much inequality unlike here in America. Guns are not the issue.

As for open borders, that is effectively what the policy is right and Hillary and Bernie both want to take way way further which is complete unfeasible. Yes the Republican establishment has not been much better about this, Big Business needs cheap third world labor in order to keep American wages down.