Non-transgender Men Being Allowed In Women's Bathroom!

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No, it's an analogy.



No. See my earlier posts.



It's a phrase used to trivialize the concerns of women, the primary wearers of pearls.

No it's a phrase to trivialize trivial concerns held by both men and women. Mostly ultra conservative Christians. Do you think we need to remove all references to gender lest we risk being sexist? Let's leave calling things sexist to the things that actually matter, otherwise we'll just end up trivializing the term.

Yes it's analogy, but it's a terrible analogy and it makes no sense. The idea that a man could use this policy to be a criminal without repercussions is ludicrous. And anyway what crime specifically do you think this will make easier to commit?

I see what you mean, Luke.

But it's true: men could haunt ladies rooms in order to, say, film them in the "act." You do have creeps out there with nothing better to do.

Or harass lades in some other way. There is potential for that.

if there's a mens room, why would a man want to go into the ladies room?

Regardless of the policy, wouldn't a man have to dress up as a woman anyway and wear a wig and have fake breasts to walk on the women's restroom to pervert away? Even if that happened with the new policy, they would still face harassment charges if women complain and if they planted hidden cameras in there.

Why isn't anyone showing concern about women posing as men to pervert away in the men's restroom? Some can pass but no way I can because of my breasts.

Plus you have to go through treatment before you are given male or female hormones when you transition. They only for that for people with gender identity disorder. They are not going to do that to anyone who just wants to be a man or woman or feeling like one.

I support that Target lets transgender people use the bathroom of your choice. However, this should be limited to simply using the bathroom and leaving, not lingering in the bathroom. I think this was a single incident with a poor decision made at a single Target store and therefore I do not see a reason to sign the pledge. One idiot decided to take advantage of Target's policy, that should not shut down the rights of transgender people. I do agree the complainant shouldn't have been ignored.

Don't like being called a name? Now you know how Mexicans feel.

Yeah those creeps do exist. I just don't believe Target stating it's policy will have any effect on those creeps. And anyway it should be fairly easy to determine who is creeping and who is legitimately using the bathroom.

I honestly believe the only reason this is an issue is because Republicans in North Carolina were looking for another wedge issue. And since gay marriage no longer works for them, they moved on to another minority group.

Well said Butterfly88.

Because the men's room can get pretty disgusting at times.

No. Any man regardless of appearance may enter the so-called women's room at Target. No questions asked.

Unsurprisingly, I don't feel that my objection to the term is trivial.



AGAIN, I didn't say that a man could use this policy to be a criminal without repercussions. I'm not going to keep explaining it.

I'm pretty sure if a man was loitering in a ladies room, leering at them, or even threatening them, then that man could still be ejected. After all, sexual abuse, or even sexual intimidation, is still illegal, regardless if transsexuals can legally use the same facility.

If a man is allowed to use the ladies room, many protective barriers are breached.

Unless there's a guard patrolling the bathrooms at all times.

Really, no questions?

So a balding overweight man with a beard can just wander into a crowded bathroom, and no one will say a thing? There are already stories online of people hassling trans people over using the bathroom. So that fat bald man doesn't stand a chance.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/t ... -1.2644165

YippySkippy, I meant that this whole idea of "men might go into the women's bathroom to spy because of target" is a trivial concern. I'm not saying that concern over creeps is trivial, just the idea that target will embolden pervs with this policy is trivial. But since you mention I also see the objection to the term "clutch the pearls" trivial as well. I don't see anything derogatory of women in that statement. There's nothing wrong with wearing pearls. If you know of a gender neutral phrase that means the same thing, I'm interested to here it.

Again what crimes specifically will be easier due to this policy?

Oh and on a side note YippySkippy, I think the issue happening local to you is a little more complex than this is. From what I remember there was a lawsuit to allow someone to use a locker room and shower with everyone else.

I think the shower in that is what complicates things. I find the idea of forcing kids to get naked and shower together is abhorrent. There is no way I would have used the school showers regardless of what punishment they wanted to give me. Thankfully they didn't use the showers when I was in school. I think that if the school is going to force it then the school should have to have private shower stalls.

Also I think this showering in schools will just lead to more Sanduskys. Teachers have inappropriate relations with their students all the time. Just imagine how much worse it could be when one of these predators is cast as the chaperone for the school's shower/locker room.

How in the world did the security lady know the Ebony was transgender? I wouldn't have guessed just by looking at her.

The point Kraftie is, would you be embarrassed by a biological female who is in the process of transitioning into a male and taking hormone supplements, entering a designated male public to do his business while you are there. The chances are you wont recognise that person as being a biological female. That person won't be using the urinal. They will be using the male cubicle and will be out of there in the blink of an eye and you won't even notice they have been there.