England's Universal Healthcare runs a 2.45B£ Deficit.

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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016 ... rd-deficit

England's NHS, which they proudly defend as being better and cheaper than the U.S. Healthcare system, has announced a massive 2.45£ Billion deficit.

One of the Trustees claims

Though the UK government begs to differ.

Is it time to liberate the UK from government controlled healthcare?

May I see a quote of someone calling it cheaper?

The UK regularly held protests in 2010 through 2012 when the U.S. Republicans in Congress and many in the U.S. media called the NHS out for being a horrible and expensive healthcare provider as an attempt to stop any form of healthcare reform.
That's why NHS was featured in the opening ceremony of the 2012 Olympics, to show the U.S. audience that NHS was better than the U.S. healthcare.

I hope you haven't slept through the last 6+ years of the great USA healthcare debate.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/10 ... k-20120810
https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/02 ... m-superior
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/hea ... countries/
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26794291/ns/h ... -uk-vs-us/
http://www.wired.com/2015/02/us-healthc ... edication/

Just to post a few articles

This is predictable.

When government runs stuff -- you lose efficiency --- you lose cost control.

Won't be long before NHS groups are asking for more taxes.

Meanwhile, the ObamaCare system in New York is the latest state system to enter its death spiral:

http://nypost.com/2016/05/19/new-york-e ... th-spiral/

Yea. The private American system is so much cheaper. What world do you people live in?

-One example, the US government hires private health care insurance companies to negotiate better pharmaceutical prices for them for their Medicare (gov run health care) because the Bush drug act specifically banned Medicare from doing it.

-Another example, president Obama calling Medicare (gov. run health care) a "ticking time bomb" in expenses.

-Another, depending on the source, Medicare has a 50-70 trillion dollar long-term unfunded liability that can never be paid.

Medicare is failing because there is limited cost control.

The amount state comes out to about 3 bn $ which, by American Standards, is chump change. The deficit can be cleared by raising taxes by a small percentage. The money taxed to maintain the health system can be regarded as an insurance premium. So what premium are people willing to pay individually and collectively for an insurance system that will guarantee with over 95 percent probability that they will be treated if they become injured or sick?

Most people do not have ready money to pay for serious illness or injury. That is why risk sharing aka insurance is necessary for a reasonable civilized society where people can count on their next meal and necessary medical care.

By any reasonable accounting standard, the American system is not very good. We spend twice as much per person to assure medical care and for many poor, the only medical is the Emergency Room which is the least economical and effective way of delivering medical care. Moreover our laws require that people be treated whether they can afford the treatment or not. So we impose a change on the paying public from providing medical care in the least effective and economical way. The French and German systems are much better than the American system by that standard.

That's why Americans fear single payer health care.

As the saying goes: "If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's free".

Socialized medicine in Europe and the UK in particular will not be maintainable at current levels where it is already rationed with massive influx of unskilled refugees and economic migrants, the only way to have a welfare state or socialized medicine is to very strictly control who comes and goes and who gets covered and who doesn't. Otherwise you're rationing based on something else, I know in the UK and Canada you might have to wait months for an appointment and that might be the difference between life and death. Look at the survival rates for cancer in the US and compare them to that of Europe and you'd see that there is a lot that the American healthcare system exceeded in. The rest of the world piggybacks off our innovation just like how they piggy back off our military.

Because Bush wanted to protect drug company profits. Duh.


That is all by design to protect private profits. The lobbyists from the medical industries insured that. They don't want to lose their pickings. It's very lucrative to profit off desperate sick people. Anyone who believes government is the source of the expense is a chump.

the problem is identified right there in your quote.

If you have reasonable tax rates and fund your programs, deficits go away.

This is a problem of priorities only.