Trump: Muslim Judge Could Be Biased Against Me Too

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Trump: Muslim Judge Could Be Biased Against Me Too

Trump is a real looney.

Judge Curiel is as fair to Trump as any other judge could be. In fact, he decided some important decisions in Trump's favor. For example, he refused to certify the lawsuit as a class action lawsuit. And he postponed the trial until after the election. Both of those are really big for Trump.

Regarding the unsealing of the exhibits, such unsealing is very common in civil trials. Maybe 1 in 500 civil trails in federal court keep the exhibits all sealed. In the case of a trial of immense public interest as this trial is seen it is even more likely that the exhibits will be made public.

Think about it. Courts that keep everything secret are those of a despotic regime with secret trials. That is contrary to our American system.

Trump seems to think that Curiel is biased because he is a member of a professional association that is mainly for latino lawyers and judges. Other than their social activities, their biggest activity appears to be the awarding of a small number of local scholarships for law students. It's a professional organization, not a bunch of activists.

As far as the courts are concerned, a judge is not going to be found to be biased simply because he is of a different race, different political party, or a member of just about any organization. There would need to be something substantial such as having personal gain from the case or having made public comments that about the case that would bring doubt about their bias.

And if Trump thinks that he is going to be able to argue that he's biased the judge because of his ranting, that isn't going to work, either. The judicial system finds such attempts to be appalling.

There is plenty of precedent setting case law on all of this.

There's no bias there -- Trump is just loony, as usual.

It's almost as if Trump is trying to see how outrageous a statement he can make before he puts his nomination in jeopardy.

What he is doing is alienating groups he would need to win. There aren't enough while males to elect him -- he needs the vote of women, latinos, and backs as well. If he keeps up like this, it would take a real miracle for him to win.

Does anyone on this forum believe a judge "may have" bias? I do. They're just people.

Judges have done all types of stupid things as is attested by our newspapers from time to time. You name it, some judge has done it.

Does anyone here believe some judges have and do take bribes? I do.

Judges are not gods. It is not impossible for a judge to have a racial bias.

I only say these things because of the overall ignorant response to Trump's foul statement. It's as though people DO believe judges are all above reproach, when the opposite is true...right up to the Supreme Court. Adding stupidity to stupidity is no way to address the situation.

Are the people who are supposed to represent the judiciary mute? Where is their visible outrage? Why are we not hearing louder cries of rage from both political parties? Are they all afraid of Trump?

But that is not the question. The questions are twofold. Does having Mexican heritage mean automatically they will be biased? . Does bieng personally biased mean that a person is likely to make a proffessional decisions based on that bias?

From a practical point of view:

If a person (not judge...just "whoever") is of Mexican heritage what is the possibility they might be biased at all in relations with others? My guess would be very high. Perhaps near 100%.

"Then" ask:

Does being personally biased mean that a person is likely to make a proffessional decisions based on that bias?"

For this answer I have to refer to the conduct of American politicians for the answer. Personally I have a low opinion of politicians and how they "play." And the illegal actions and lies I've seen judges take part in (including our Supreme Court) make me feel my second guess would also be very high. It would depend on the case being tried BUT the case Trump presents is, mostly, no case at all.

Trump's border wall is just more of the same agri-business BS already in play. And his threat to send 10 to 20 million people "back home" is like hearing a donkey bray....it's just noise just ignore it.

Does anyone believe you can't be a rapist? WP posters are just people, not gods, and people rape other people. It's not impossible that you raped somebody.

Really, the solution to this whole problem of finding a judge pure enough is simple. The only Judge qualified and unbiased enough to take on any case involving Donald Trump would be the Honorable John Miller.




("John Miller" was the fake name Trump used when he posed as his own press agent in phone calls. And I was being sarcastic and facetious. Trump is as qualified to be a judge as he is to be a president of the U.S.)

Can an average judge that happens to be latino give a person viewed low by latinos proper due process and consideration? Certainly

Can a judge who has been and still is a political activist be fair to person on absolute opposite spectrum of his views? Well it gets iffy here. I don't think so. Specially with temptation of a negative pronouncement keeping someone he may private hate out of Presidential Candidacy. Be real folks. Why is to so important who gets to appoint a SCOTUS? because you can pick one aligning with desired views-DOH! The best to hope is one that has history of holding to constitution in unclear cases.
Specially since the standards are less strict in Civil Court which can also be considered court of popular opinion.
(Like OJ being "tried again". Did he do it? not the point. A fully functional court with a jury already found there was not enough to convict but he was still given a punitive decision in the kangaroo court of civil and torte yet avoiding criminal tolerate to have more lenient rules)
Also torte law is different by jurisdiction and often runs afoul of state and federal law. You just don't see it in new without high profile litigants.
So can a California Judge properly apply to a NEW YORK case. Hell no. Right now it is matter of reputation since it can be overturned later as many less merited tort cases are, specially when multi state.

In a criminal court with checks and balance I'd say ye.
But honestly I do not think Trump would get well from any judge that has ever been in community organizing or activist causes pre or post appointment. If a judge identifies as muslin first ans American second then I would be a bit suspicious of his personal bias too.

(*disclaimer: am not atty,. Was only a paralegal in early 90s AZ & CA )

And what can a naughty civil court do?
SC decided in 2011 that my sons father doesn't not have to pay child support. He'd "paid enough" So will not comply with any garnishment order. Our child was born in 2005. He paid support late 2008 til mid 2010. Ever. Original order was in WA. Secondary order for modification was jurisdictional AZ. SC has no jurisdiction. Never lived there nor has my son ans he has never had custody , or ability to have him stay even a weekend unsupervised.

Civil court is not all about the Law or Constitution. It merely applies law for punitive action which is why Family Court is so scary.

Trump already address the media this evening claiming his comments on the Mexican Judge were misconstrued by the media and his opponents.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/us/po ... .html?_r=0

He claims he never said anything against the Mexican Judge.

Also, he said something about, "these aren't the 'droids you're looking for" and did this hand-wavy thing.

I hear the media is purposely taking it all out of context deliberately, in order to be fair to Bernie (who's been complaining about the media treating Trump better than him).

It's not biased when you're a racist and a general all around bigot who ignores the constitution.

That's right. We're all just people. We have the same capabilities and faults as everyone, and that includes you and me. If your style is to wish you had people of impeccable character to put on a pedestal, and look up to, then more power to you. I find the older I get, and the more experience I gain, the more this possibility seems quaint and childish.

And, in case the next logical bit arises: No, I do not believe in a divinity. That definitely does not fit on the pedestal.

Ha--yes, yes, yes!! Sad but true, and sad but funny. Thank you!

He is biased towards those he sees a different, less than himself or who he doesn't like and projects this world view on to others. Assuming that everyone thinks the way he does. He's not a loony but he is a narcissist with some views that some may call extreme, I at best would call them unpleasant.