Urging Boyfriend to Suicide Brings Murder Charge.

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01 Jul 2016, 10:14 pm

Urging someone to commit suicide could be hazardous to your freedom.

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BOSTON -- A teenage Massachusetts girl who sent her boyfriend dozens of text messages encouraging him to take his own life and who allegedly told him to "get back in" a truck filled with carbon monoxide fumes must stand trial for involuntary manslaughter, the state's highest court ruled Friday. The Supreme Judicial Court ruled Friday that a grand jury had probable cause to indict Michelle Carter, then 17, in the 2014 death of Conrad Roy III, 18.
Source: "Teen who urged suicide via text will stand trial, court rules"

And she was his "girlfriend"???



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02 Jul 2016, 1:41 am

A "systematic campaign of coercion" to get a depressed person to commit suicide should be hazardous to your life,


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02 Jul 2016, 3:36 am

She told him to use a generator to speed up the monoxide poisoning :|

Apparently the girl had her own mental problems and had stayed in a mental intuition, from one article I read. But that doesn't excuse what she did at all. Manslaughter is an appropriate charge because she knew he was suicidal and she pushed him to do it. Her attorneys tried to get the case dismissed by freedom of speech, which didn't work. They'll probably use the fact that Massachusetts doesn't have a law that makes it a crime to assist in another's suicide in order to get her off.



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02 Jul 2016, 9:15 am

She'll get off
but I hope it stays in news long enough or her name to sink in and she become a social pariah that no sane person will trust, much less date.


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02 Jul 2016, 9:29 am

My Opinion is that if she's convicted, then she will serve a reduced sentence; and if she's acquitted, it will be under an "insanity plea".

I doubt that she will serve any time in prison, if she hasn't already, because the law is lenient against pretty, teenaged girls who haven't personally committed a violent crime.



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03 Jul 2016, 11:02 am

How can recommending suicide be a felony? She did not threaten the 18 year old boy with bodily harm nor did she extort him. Her behavior is well beyond the pale of social acceptability, but I don't see how what she did can be considered a felony. She should be shunned, but not imprisoned.


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03 Jul 2016, 11:05 am

BaalChatzaf wrote:
How can recommending suicide be a felony? She did not threaten the 18 year old boy with bodily harm nor did she extort him. Her behavior is well beyond the pale of social acceptability, but I don't see how what she did can be considered a felony. She should be shunned, but not imprisoned.
I agree; but if her trial results in a conviction, and that conviction is not overturned on appeal, then it will have set a precedent for arresting and prosecuting anyone who says "Go ahead and do it" whenever someone else threatens to commit suicide.

Free speech is being threatened ... again ...



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03 Jul 2016, 11:31 am

This girl seems like a sociopath, an evil person who acted in a deliberate predatory fashion. She probably won't see any time but people like her should not be on the street, she should be locked up and it should set precedent. Free speech has it limits and this is and should be beyond it, you've all heard that you can't scream fire in crowd movie house.



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03 Jul 2016, 3:49 pm

Agreed this has similarities to yelling fire in a crowded theater. And people yelling "do it"
to a suicidal person threatening to jump should face legal consequences.


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03 Jul 2016, 8:07 pm

Jacoby wrote:
This girl seems like a sociopath, an evil person who acted in a deliberate predatory fashion. She probably won't see any time but people like her should not be on the street, she should be locked up and it should set precedent. Free speech has it limits and this is and should be beyond it, you've all heard that you can't scream fire in crowd movie house.


The courts have set the limits in the U.S. Fomenting a riot, panic, insurrection or a lynching is NOT protected speech. Talking someone into suicide does not fall under that category.


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03 Jul 2016, 10:01 pm

Sounded like the kid had more value to her dead so she could play the role of grieving friend. Even portrayed herself as some sort of advocate. At one point he tried to get out of the car when he had second thoughts and she harassed him into getting back in and finishing the job. To portray this case as an attack on free speech is just a cynical exploitation of the constitution.



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03 Jul 2016, 10:13 pm

BaalChatzaf wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
This girl seems like a sociopath, an evil person who acted in a deliberate predatory fashion. She probably won't see any time but people like her should not be on the street, she should be locked up and it should set precedent. Free speech has it limits and this is and should be beyond it, you've all heard that you can't scream fire in crowd movie house.


The courts have set the limits in the U.S. Fomenting a riot, panic, insurrection or a lynching is NOT protected speech. Talking someone into suicide does not fall under that category.


I do not believe maliciously pushing a suicidal person to suicide is protected speech, this wasn't a comment or internet posting that put someone over the edge but a systematic campaign by a sociopath who bragged to her friends afterwards. People like her should not be walking the streets. I would put this in that same category, hopefully the courts agree



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04 Jul 2016, 7:26 am

She is not charged with murder. She is charged with manslaughter. She SHOULD be charged with murder. She is a narcissistic little b***h. If she doesn't do some serious jail time, it will be a sad day for America.


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04 Jul 2016, 8:38 am

0regonGuy wrote:
She is not charged with murder. She is charged with manslaughter. She SHOULD be charged with murder. She is a narcissistic little b***h. If she doesn't do some serious jail time, it will be a sad day for America.
Fact-checking my legal dictionary ...
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Manslaughter

The unjustifiable, inexcusable, and intentional killing of a human being without deliberation, premeditation, and malice. The unlawful killing of a human being without any deliberation, which may be involuntary, in the commission of a lawful act without due caution and circumspection.

Manslaughter is a distinct crime and is not considered a lesser degree of murder. The essential distinction between the two offenses is that malice aforethought must be present for murder, whereas it must be absent for manslaughter. Manslaughter is not as serious a crime as murder. On the other hand, it is not a justifiable or excusable killing for which little or no punishment is imposed.
I stand corrected.