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25 Jul 2016, 5:05 pm

Defying unity theme, Democratic convention opens amid shower of boos led by dissenting Sanders backers


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25 Jul 2016, 7:28 pm

Which is worse- the fact Bernie Sanders wasnt really a democrat (mainly joined because of the 2-party system in USA) or the fact that many people don't realize he isn't a true democrat.. or the fact that people go to a convention to boo Clinton's obvious nomination?

People should be adults and deal with it- Sanders lost. The two party system is stupid but Sanders was basically piggy backing on it to get the huge attention. Trump isnt really a republican- but joined that party because of the stupid 2-party system. Perhaps one day in USA there wont just be 2-parties. I think we are ready for it.



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25 Jul 2016, 8:39 pm

Bernie supporters would be rightfully annoyed that the DNC conspired against him. Sure, everyone knew that a socialist wouldn't be a hit with the wealthy Democrat leaders (the taxes will be targeting them), but to see it in writing is another thing.

Not that Bernie is worth it, as he's shown little spine at the revelations.



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25 Jul 2016, 8:42 pm

Well I don't agree with him supporting Hillary. I wanted Bernie as president and still think he'd be a better option than Trump or Hillary...but I can't stand with him on supporting Hillary as an alternative. So I can understand the crowds reactions I mean to a lot of people he was the canidate who might change the democratic party and reduce corruption...but by encouraging support for her it seems like he's kind of throwing it away.


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25 Jul 2016, 10:58 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Well I don't agree with him supporting Hillary. I wanted Bernie as president and still think he'd be a better option than Trump or Hillary...but I can't stand with him on supporting Hillary as an alternative. So I can understand the crowds reactions I mean to a lot of people he was the canidate who might change the democratic party and reduce corruption...but by encouraging support for her it seems like he's kind of throwing it away.


Most of politics in USA is corrupt though. I'm not sure if Sanders can alone fix it. House and senate can easily just ignore what he wants.

I really hope many Bernie supporters vote for Hillary. There's zero reason Trump should win, he's worse than Hillary in my view. I know many people probably wont vote because both candidates arent great, which is unfortunate. So many ignorant people throw away their vote by not voting or doing the whole "write-in" vote for nonsense people. Then its the same old nonsense from people: "I want change", but yet they didn't even bother to vote! Sorry, but change wont happen if you don't vote..

Come November- I strongly feel house and senate needs to go to democrats, then some change will happen at least. Being stuck with republicans wont help much I bet.



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26 Jul 2016, 12:22 pm

Bernie choked at the 11th hour and embraced that which he preached against in the end. I would be very pissed if I had been a supporter.



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26 Jul 2016, 12:46 pm

Earthbound wrote:
Which is worse- the fact Bernie Sanders wasnt really a democrat (mainly joined because of the 2-party system in USA) or the fact that many people don't realize he isn't a true democrat.. or the fact that people go to a convention to boo Clinton's obvious nomination?

People should be adults and deal with it- Sanders lost. The two party system is stupid but Sanders was basically piggy backing on it to get the huge attention. Trump isnt really a republican- but joined that party because of the stupid 2-party system. Perhaps one day in USA there wont just be 2-parties. I think we are ready for it.


Sanders is closer to being an FDR New Deal Democrat than most Democrats are now. FDR filched as much of Norman Thomas' socialist program in 1932 and 1936 as he thought he could get away with. Sanders is very well aligned with the New Deal where as most liberal Democrats are now lick spittles and running dogs for the Corporate Cronies.

Sandars has voted with the Democrats since being in Congress and he was elected primarily by Democrats. You don't think True Red Socialists put Sanders in Congress do you ?


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26 Jul 2016, 2:48 pm

Earthbound wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Well I don't agree with him supporting Hillary. I wanted Bernie as president and still think he'd be a better option than Trump or Hillary...but I can't stand with him on supporting Hillary as an alternative. So I can understand the crowds reactions I mean to a lot of people he was the canidate who might change the democratic party and reduce corruption...but by encouraging support for her it seems like he's kind of throwing it away.


Most of politics in USA is corrupt though. I'm not sure if Sanders can alone fix it. House and senate can easily just ignore what he wants.

I really hope many Bernie supporters vote for Hillary. There's zero reason Trump should win, he's worse than Hillary in my view. I know many people probably wont vote because both candidates arent great, which is unfortunate. So many ignorant people throw away their vote by not voting or doing the whole "write-in" vote for nonsense people. Then its the same old nonsense from people: "I want change", but yet they didn't even bother to vote! Sorry, but change wont happen if you don't vote..

Come November- I strongly feel house and senate needs to go to democrats, then some change will happen at least. Being stuck with republicans wont help much I bet.


What is going to change with Hillary exactly though?


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26 Jul 2016, 2:56 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Earthbound wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Well I don't agree with him supporting Hillary. I wanted Bernie as president and still think he'd be a better option than Trump or Hillary...but I can't stand with him on supporting Hillary as an alternative. So I can understand the crowds reactions I mean to a lot of people he was the canidate who might change the democratic party and reduce corruption...but by encouraging support for her it seems like he's kind of throwing it away.


Most of politics in USA is corrupt though. I'm not sure if Sanders can alone fix it. House and senate can easily just ignore what he wants.

I really hope many Bernie supporters vote for Hillary. There's zero reason Trump should win, he's worse than Hillary in my view. I know many people probably wont vote because both candidates arent great, which is unfortunate. So many ignorant people throw away their vote by not voting or doing the whole "write-in" vote for nonsense people. Then its the same old nonsense from people: "I want change", but yet they didn't even bother to vote! Sorry, but change wont happen if you don't vote..

Come November- I strongly feel house and senate needs to go to democrats, then some change will happen at least. Being stuck with republicans wont help much I bet.


What is going to change with Hillary exactly though?

Not much; which is much better that the dangerous changes proposed by Trump. With Hillary one can hope for a better candidate next time; with Trump there may be no such luck.


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26 Jul 2016, 3:18 pm

Tollorin wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Earthbound wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Well I don't agree with him supporting Hillary. I wanted Bernie as president and still think he'd be a better option than Trump or Hillary...but I can't stand with him on supporting Hillary as an alternative. So I can understand the crowds reactions I mean to a lot of people he was the canidate who might change the democratic party and reduce corruption...but by encouraging support for her it seems like he's kind of throwing it away.


Most of politics in USA is corrupt though. I'm not sure if Sanders can alone fix it. House and senate can easily just ignore what he wants.

I really hope many Bernie supporters vote for Hillary. There's zero reason Trump should win, he's worse than Hillary in my view. I know many people probably wont vote because both candidates arent great, which is unfortunate. So many ignorant people throw away their vote by not voting or doing the whole "write-in" vote for nonsense people. Then its the same old nonsense from people: "I want change", but yet they didn't even bother to vote! Sorry, but change wont happen if you don't vote..

Come November- I strongly feel house and senate needs to go to democrats, then some change will happen at least. Being stuck with republicans wont help much I bet.


What is going to change with Hillary exactly though?

Not much; which is much better that the dangerous changes proposed by Trump. With Hillary one can hope for a better candidate next time; with Trump we may not have such luck.


Would Trump be able to actually implement the dangerous changes he proposes? Also it seems more likely will just get another pre-selected canidate with comparable wealth, power and influence as Hillary...who wont be a threat/challenge whatsoever to the corruption of the democratic party. Or on the off chance Hillary is elected over Trump( as I recall it usually goes republican, democrat, republican and currently democrat....the next one in the sequence is Republican so its not unlikely he'll get the presidency. But if Hillary wins than by than enough people will surely be sick of democrats to want a republican....by then there may be someone even worse than trump willing to run.


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26 Jul 2016, 6:06 pm

When the roll call got to Vermont Sanders himself asked that the rules be suspended and that Hillary be nominated by acclimation which she was.


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30 Jul 2016, 10:49 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Earthbound wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Well I don't agree with him supporting Hillary. I wanted Bernie as president and still think he'd be a better option than Trump or Hillary...but I can't stand with him on supporting Hillary as an alternative. So I can understand the crowds reactions I mean to a lot of people he was the canidate who might change the democratic party and reduce corruption...but by encouraging support for her it seems like he's kind of throwing it away.


Most of politics in USA is corrupt though. I'm not sure if Sanders can alone fix it. House and senate can easily just ignore what he wants.

I really hope many Bernie supporters vote for Hillary. There's zero reason Trump should win, he's worse than Hillary in my view. I know many people probably wont vote because both candidates arent great, which is unfortunate. So many ignorant people throw away their vote by not voting or doing the whole "write-in" vote for nonsense people. Then its the same old nonsense from people: "I want change", but yet they didn't even bother to vote! Sorry, but change wont happen if you don't vote..

Come November- I strongly feel house and senate needs to go to democrats, then some change will happen at least. Being stuck with republicans wont help much I bet.


What is going to change with Hillary exactly though?


I bet she has already created more change than you have.
I bet she will change more things than you think as President.

What the f!@# has Hillary done?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/4/ ... Rights-Era

It's kind of sad that some people who claim to have supported the policies promoted by Bernie Sanders are unwilling to follow his logic in trying to advance their political goals by voting for Clinton. Bernie is not stupid and has not sold out. This November, the best way to advance the causes he has fought for is to vote for Hillary Clinton.