Another American Police Execution of a Handicapped Person.

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25 Aug 2016, 3:13 am

The Holocaust of handicapped people in America continues. :x

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State trooper shoots dead an unarmed deaf father who was trying to communicate via sign language after being pulled over for a speeding violation

Daniel Kevin Harris, 29, who has a four-year-old son, was killed just feet from his home in Charlotte by trooper Jermaine Saunders on Thursday evening.

Police say Saunders tried to pull Harris over for a speeding violation on Interstate 485 at around 6.15pm, but the driver led authorities on a brief pursuit before stopping.

Officials said that's when the driver got out of his car and an encounter took place between the driver and the trooper, causing a shot to be fired. Harris died at the scene.

But witnesses said Harris – who was unarmed – was shot ‘almost immediately’ after he exited his vehicle, WCNC reports.

They also say he appeared to be trying to communicate with the trooper using sign language.

'He could not hear their warnings. He could not hear their commands to stop or to stay away from them.'

He added that his mother has been in the hospital with a heart issue since the shooting. 'He was shot, and now we’re left with nothing,' Jay said.


Neighbors blasted the decision to ‘shoot first, ask questions’ later.

‘You’re pulling someone over who is deaf, they are handicapped. To me, what happened is totally unacceptable,’ neighbor Mark Barringer told the local station.

‘They should have de-escalated and been trained to realize that this is an entirely different situation.’


State trooper shoots dead an unarmed deaf father who was trying to communicate via sign language after being pulled over for a speeding violation


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25 Aug 2016, 3:18 am

seems like an informal culling to me.



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25 Aug 2016, 6:57 am

They'll probably justify it by saying the officer reasonably feared for their life and, hey, do you want our men and women in uniform to be vulnerable to violent criminals?

This is something that's probably going to be very unpopular, but I think it needs saying: Law enforcement officers are public servants who perform an inherently dangerous duty. Sure, we should take steps to ensure officers' safety, but not if it results in innocents dying because officers are so quick to react with deadly force to perceived threats: shoot first and ask questions later. My suggestion would probably mean that more officers will die, and it's not something that we'd like to think about. Nevertheless, we have to keep in mind the situation that a person puts themselves in when they choose to be a law enforcement officer.


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25 Aug 2016, 7:16 am

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I think they'll be Hell to pay. The victim was an affluent white guy.



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25 Aug 2016, 10:56 am

Is this a major problem? absolutely. Describing it as a holocaust is hyperbole. There are not millions of disabled people bieng killed by a deliberate goverment decision to do so. It is a combination of reckless policies, bad judgement, a**hole individuals and wrong assumptions.


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25 Aug 2016, 11:31 am

OMG, it's dangerous to drive when you're deaf. What of you get a cop behind you and you don't know because you won't be able to hear their siren? That poor guy probably didn't even know he had a cop following him until he got home and didn't know why the officer was at his house. Maybe they should have a sticker on their car saying "deaf person driving" so the officer knows and also wear a medical bracelet saying they are deaf and mute. But still he didn't have a weapon so why did they have to shoot? All he had was his hands. Did they think he was going to assault them with them, they have guns so they can just hold them out and the person will back off. My natural instinct would be holding my hands up if an officer pointed a gun at me. Did those officers even give him a chance to do that?


In Montana, they don't even use their sirens at all, only lights so I once had a cop follow me eight miles and it didn't ring any bells to me when a car in front of me pulled over. I just kept on going thinking that van let me pass because they had to pull over to the side of the road for some reason. I just happened to look in my rear view mirror and there he was so I pulled over right away. He was on my tail.

But seriously you will be able to tell if someone was running from you because they would be going fast and picking up speed than going the same speed and slowing down so the officer behind me knew I wasn't running. But he did ask me why I didn't pull over and I said I did when I saw he was behind me and he said he went after me eight miles from town and I said I didn't know he was behind me until I looked in my mirror. That was when he told me about the van pulling over. But luckily I didn't get in trouble for that.


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25 Aug 2016, 5:03 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Is this a major problem? absolutely. Describing it as a holocaust is hyperbole. There are not millions of disabled people bieng killed by a deliberate goverment decision to do so. It is a combination of reckless policies, bad judgement, as*hole individuals and wrong assumptions.


So one million is the magical number? It can't be called a Holocaust until American police have executed one million disabled people? Everybody hates the comparisons to the Nazis, but I believe it is a fair comparison. Hitler's T4 Euthanasia Program killed 70,000 disabled people. Last year American police killed 1,146 people. The police are well on the way to shattering that record this year. The number keeps going up every single year. I would be very surprised if more then 1,000 of the victims of police killings were not disabled, mostly mentally. Depending on when you start counting, it's just a matter of time before American police will have killed more disabled people then the Nazis did.


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25 Aug 2016, 7:06 pm

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They'll probably justify it by saying the officer reasonably feared for their life and, hey, do you want our men and women in uniform to be vulnerable to violent criminals?

This is something that's probably going to be very unpopular, but I think it needs saying: Law enforcement officers are public servants who perform an inherently dangerous duty. Sure, we should take steps to ensure officers' safety, but not if it results in innocents dying because officers are so quick to react with deadly force to perceived threats: shoot first and ask questions later. My suggestion would probably mean that more officers will die, and it's not something that we'd like to think about. Nevertheless, we have to keep in mind the situation that a person puts themselves in when they choose to be a law enforcement officer.


Exactly, but unfortunately in America that's not the way it works. The police here are gods and we can not take any chance of one of the great police gods getting killed or injured. If innocent civilians have to die to keep the great police gods safe, they should be grateful for the chance to give their lives to keep the police gods safe. But the police are brave heros. Yeah, right.


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25 Aug 2016, 7:13 pm

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OMG, it's dangerous to drive when you're deaf. What of you get a cop behind you and you don't know because you won't be able to hear their siren? That poor guy probably didn't even know he had a cop following him until he got home and didn't know why the officer was at his house. Maybe they should have a sticker on their car saying "deaf person driving" so the officer knows and also wear a medical bracelet saying they are deaf and mute. But still he didn't have a weapon so why did they have to shoot? All he had was his hands. Did they think he was going to assault them with them, they have guns so they can just hold them out and the person will back off. My natural instinct would be holding my hands up if an officer pointed a gun at me. Did those officers even give him a chance to do that?


In Montana, they don't even use their sirens at all, only lights so I once had a cop follow me eight miles and it didn't ring any bells to me when a car in front of me pulled over. I just kept on going thinking that van let me pass because they had to pull over to the side of the road for some reason. I just happened to look in my rear view mirror and there he was so I pulled over right away. He was on my tail.

But seriously you will be able to tell if someone was running from you because they would be going fast and picking up speed than going the same speed and slowing down so the officer behind me knew I wasn't running. But he did ask me why I didn't pull over and I said I did when I saw he was behind me and he said he went after me eight miles from town and I said I didn't know he was behind me until I looked in my mirror. That was when he told me about the van pulling over. But luckily I didn't get in trouble for that.


You are lucky, that could have gotten you killed in a lot of places. I'm surprised the cop didn't point a gun at you, drag you out of your car and handcuff you, for disrespecting his authority and not stopping.


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26 Aug 2016, 2:22 am

0regonGuy wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Is this a major problem? absolutely. Describing it as a holocaust is hyperbole. There are not millions of disabled people bieng killed by a deliberate goverment decision to do so. It is a combination of reckless policies, bad judgement, as*hole individuals and wrong assumptions.


So one million is the magical number? It can't be called a Holocaust until American police have executed one million disabled people? Everybody hates the comparisons to the Nazis, but I believe it is a fair comparison. Hitler's T4 Euthanasia Program killed 70,000 disabled people. Last year American police killed 1,146 people. The police are well on the way to shattering that record this year. The number keeps going up every single year. I would be very surprised if more then 1,000 of the victims of police killings were not disabled, mostly mentally. Depending on when you start counting, it's just a matter of time before American police will have killed more disabled people then the Nazis did.


Aktion T4 was a delibrate policy to killed the disabled as a test run for the holocaust. Hitler signed the order and it was carried out by his personal physician. As I mentioned above the unjustified killing of the disabled is a result of a number of factors. The worst that happens here is unwritten rule to shoot first ask questions later which is not genocide.

Comparisons to Nazis, holocausts, genocide etc diminishes both the horror of actual genocides and holocausts and the events being compared to them. It is an all to common sickening misuse of the language.


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26 Aug 2016, 2:51 am

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0regonGuy wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Is this a major problem? absolutely. Describing it as a holocaust is hyperbole. There are not millions of disabled people bieng killed by a deliberate goverment decision to do so. It is a combination of reckless policies, bad judgement, as*hole individuals and wrong assumptions.


So one million is the magical number? It can't be called a Holocaust until American police have executed one million disabled people? Everybody hates the comparisons to the Nazis, but I believe it is a fair comparison. Hitler's T4 Euthanasia Program killed 70,000 disabled people. Last year American police killed 1,146 people. The police are well on the way to shattering that record this year. The number keeps going up every single year. I would be very surprised if more then 1,000 of the victims of police killings were not disabled, mostly mentally. Depending on when you start counting, it's just a matter of time before American police will have killed more disabled people then the Nazis did.


Aktion T4 was a delibrate policy to killed the disabled as a test run for the holocaust. Hitler signed the order and it was carried out by his personal physician. As I mentioned above the unjustified killing of the disabled is a result of a number of factors. The worst that happens here is unwritten rule to shoot first ask questions later which is not genocide.

Comparisons to Nazis, holocausts, genocide etc diminishes both the horror of actual genocides and holocausts and the events being compared to them. It is an all to common sickening misuse of the language.


If you happen to be a family member of one of the people who has been murdered by the pigs, I doubt you would consider it to be a misuse of the language.


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26 Aug 2016, 4:42 am

Absolutely sickening and unacceptable. The police seem to be the enemy of the American people. The good ones who honour their duty to serve and protect seem few and far between.

I really think I prefer our often incompetent ones in our country to the American cops. They seem to think killing people for minor violations is justified.


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26 Aug 2016, 11:32 am

0regonGuy wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
0regonGuy wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Is this a major problem? absolutely. Describing it as a holocaust is hyperbole. There are not millions of disabled people bieng killed by a deliberate goverment decision to do so. It is a combination of reckless policies, bad judgement, as*hole individuals and wrong assumptions.


So one million is the magical number? It can't be called a Holocaust until American police have executed one million disabled people? Everybody hates the comparisons to the Nazis, but I believe it is a fair comparison. Hitler's T4 Euthanasia Program killed 70,000 disabled people. Last year American police killed 1,146 people. The police are well on the way to shattering that record this year. The number keeps going up every single year. I would be very surprised if more then 1,000 of the victims of police killings were not disabled, mostly mentally. Depending on when you start counting, it's just a matter of time before American police will have killed more disabled people then the Nazis did.


Aktion T4 was a delibrate policy to killed the disabled as a test run for the holocaust. Hitler signed the order and it was carried out by his personal physician. As I mentioned above the unjustified killing of the disabled is a result of a number of factors. The worst that happens here is unwritten rule to shoot first ask questions later which is not genocide.

Comparisons to Nazis, holocausts, genocide etc diminishes both the horror of actual genocides and holocausts and the events being compared to them. It is an all to common sickening misuse of the language.


If you happen to be a family member of one of the people who has been murdered by the pigs, I doubt you would consider it to be a misuse of the language.


I was mugged by a hispanic man later on I was randomonly assaulted by a hispanic resulting in a broken arm that took 11 months to heal and cost me my job
I do not think all hispanics are criminals. In school I was called "k*e" all the time and bullied by Christians a number of whom were kids of cops since that was the type of neighboorhood I grew up in, even as an adult on a number of occasions when in a place where they do not know me I have heard "Jew You Down" and references to Jewish control. I do not think all Christians are sorry Hitler did not finish the job.

I am non verbal due to tongue cancer What happened to the deaf person in question is not some abstraction to me, it is something I worry about. Even if I was beaten to a pulp by a gang of drunk cops who said somebody like me should not exist I would be the same Aspie who is into proper catogorization of certain things.

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Pigs all (sarcasm)

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26 Aug 2016, 7:53 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
When I worry about potential genocide against the disabled I worry about rapidly advancing gene editing technology.
CrispR-Cas9 Vs genocide: concerns balanced with human costs! Updates!


This is a very sensitive topic and I think you are attributing your experiences with other matters (eugenics) that are largely out of our control and not really relevant to those of us already here.

Yes there are officers whom are prejudiced but that's also a reflection of internalising the wider society's stigma over disability. In addition the police training is clearly not able to accommodate situations when dealing with non-verbal individuals. Some officers may be perceptive enough to deal appropriately but I suspect many follow a simple template and only realise after shooting or tasering that the person could not have followed their instructions.

You can't realistically change (at least in the short term) how people view disability. Even Aspies on WP regularly use the r-word. Therefore what can you expect from NTs

Further education for police in relation to disability is all we can realistically expect from the force to address this issue.



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cyberdad wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
When I worry about potential genocide against the disabled I worry about rapidly advancing gene editing technology.
CrispR-Cas9 Vs genocide: concerns balanced with human costs! Updates!


This is a very sensitive topic and I think you are attributing your experiences with other matters (eugenics) that are largely out of our control and not really relevant to those of us already here.

Yes there are officers whom are prejudiced but that's also a reflection of internalising the wider society's stigma over disability. In addition the police training is clearly not able to accommodate situations when dealing with non-verbal individuals. Some officers may be perceptive enough to deal appropriately but I suspect many follow a simple template and only realise after shooting or tasering that the person could not have followed their instructions.

You can't realistically change (at least in the short term) how people view disability. Even Aspies on WP regularly use the r-word. Therefore what can you expect from NTs

Further education for police in relation to disability is all we can realistically expect from the force to address this issue.


I have not experienced eugenics. I used gene editing because I do believe it is a potential future existential threat to Autistics and to continue to try and distinguish between the problem of overuse of force and genocide.

In order to deal with a problem one has to properly understand it. If you believe there is an ongoing holocaust by the police forget about WP, forget about educating them, you should be planning to exit America as soon as possible and by any means neccessary.


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27 Aug 2016, 2:53 am

It's stories like this that make me say the police problem in the US goes beyond racism.

Let's strip away the officer's badge for a second as a thought experiment. Does he have a right to shoot this person? No of course not. He was unarmed and not apparently a threat.

You don't follow police officer's instructions to the letter you might be shot. And you might be shot even if you do. That's just the way it is now in the US. Many police officers have this dangerous sense of entitlement - that everyone must do exactly what they say and if they don't they are a horrible, dangerous person probably a criminal holding a gun. If you talk back to a police officer you are a criminal who deserves to be shot. If you don't follow a police officer's commands you are a danger and deserved to be shot.

Deaf people have to be very careful. So do mentally ill people. So do people on drugs. Anyone who isn't quite 100% perfect mentally needs to be extremely careful