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10 Sep 2016, 11:23 pm

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12 Sep 2016, 10:56 pm

From the OP article:

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Lauri Love, who has Asperger's syndrome, worries he will be sentenced to up to 99 years.

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In England and Wales, the maximum sentence for a computer crime such as those of which Mr Love is accused is two years and eight months.

Talk about a huge disparity in sentences between the U.S. and England. Why are punishments in the U.S. so stiff compared to other countries?

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13 Sep 2016, 12:42 pm

beneficii wrote:

From the OP article:

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Lauri Love, who has Asperger's syndrome, worries he will be sentenced to up to 99 years.

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In England and Wales, the maximum sentence for a computer crime such as those of which Mr Love is accused is two years and eight months.

Talk about a huge disparity in sentences between the U.S. and England. Why are punishments in the U.S. so stiff compared to other countries?

The US has more prisoners then any other country in the world, and more private for profit prisons. Got to keep those prisons filled so the 1%ers can get rich locking people up. But we are the freest country in the world. :roll:

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13 Sep 2016, 1:25 pm

How can he be tried in America, when the crime was committed in Britain?

Britain should show it's commitment to the law, and put him in jail for a couple of years. If the Americans complain, just politely ignore them.

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13 Sep 2016, 2:32 pm

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13 Sep 2016, 5:23 pm

Absurd prison time aside in the US [for a fairly victimless crime], why would Britain not just charge him domestically?

He's their citizen. So, he's bound by their justice system (unless they've got some law where they have to extradite, but really, the hacking he did is pretty benign, especially when he didn't really reveal anything secret).

This is another one of those things where leniency should be applied.

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13 Sep 2016, 8:23 pm

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Because the U.S. government is the plaintiff toward whom he is accused of committing crimes against, and the systems he is accused of hacking physically reside in the U.S..

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13 Sep 2016, 8:40 pm

beneficii wrote:

Why are punishments in the U.S. so stiff compared to other countries?

We give our prosecutors a lot of leeway in how they structure charges, and they tend to arrange them for the maximum possible sentence for leverage in negotiating plea bargains.

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13 Sep 2016, 8:44 pm

I hope he does get extradited.

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14 Sep 2016, 6:07 am

yelekam wrote:

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Because the U.S. government is the plaintiff toward whom he is accused of committing crimes against, and the systems he is accused of hacking physically reside in the U.S..

That is irrelevant. The crime itself was committed in the UK. One cannot be extradited to a the DPRK for broadcasting anti Kim Jong-un propaganda, simply because it could be picked up in the DPRK and violates their laws.

If the US government wishes to press charges, they are welcome to dispatch a diplomat to contact the British police.

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14 Sep 2016, 7:05 am

The US already has filed with UK authorities for extradition, obviously. Hacking into Missile Defense is not a light matter.

Laying aside he is using the most pathetic crybaby defense I ever heard, he has valid concerns about his place in the USAs fine correctional system. He certainly is at risk and thru his lawyers should apply to get in the program that keeps such criminals separate from the mean, nasty, violent, general population. He would be in a section with other at risk inmates, like Pedophiles.

I doubt he would have to serve 99 yrs however. Between pleas, overcrowding, and if he has good behavior I'd bet he could be out in under 5. Maybe under 2.

After you commit a crime is not the time to start considering the consequences.

If the UK wants to charge and try him themselves, ok. But if they don't they should extradite. He shouldn't just walk. I hope there is a new very unpleasant ring of hell in Dante's inferno just for Hackers. Maybe rows and rows of the best computers ... but no internet connection.

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14 Sep 2016, 12:28 pm

Oh Jesus Christ, hacking is illegal. Where is the black and white thinking in this and the adherence to the rules?

Autism isn't a free get out of jail card and if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Is he copying Gary Mckannen now? Oh just because he was depressed and suicidal and autistic, he got off so Lauri thinks he will too because he did. Yeah that was the message they sent to all the aspies out there. It's okay to hack into the US computer system. There is no real consequence except fighting against the extradition and you will win.

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14 Sep 2016, 12:31 pm

Magneto wrote:

yelekam wrote:

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Because the U.S. government is the plaintiff toward whom he is accused of committing crimes against, and the systems he is accused of hacking physically reside in the U.S..

What if I decided to do drug trafficking to someone in Taiwan? I am sure I can still be extradited even though I did it from the US. Don't want the death penalty there, don't do the crime.

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14 Sep 2016, 12:42 pm

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I hope he does get extradited.

Why so we can add another life prisoner to our overcrowded prisons for a sentence 50x harsher than the actual crime committed? We already have the the worlds highest prison population...its so greedy we need to extradite foreigners. 2 years seems to reflect the crime much better than 99 years...did he hurt or kill anyone? NO.

Not to mention that is a much longer sentence than rapists and child-molesters get, talk about an ass backwards system. The U.S doesn't know how to justice....ha so much for 'justice for all'.

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14 Sep 2016, 12:50 pm

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Sounds like they are perfectly capable of trying and sentencing him themselves.

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