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30 Jun 2016, 9:30 am

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Britain has not become racist overnight
  • The post-Brexit ‘hate-crime spike’ is not all that it seems.

Following the Brexit vote there has been a panic about an apparent ‘spike’ in hate crime. An increase of 57 per cent was widely reported, and, on Twitter, a new hashtag, #PostRefRacism, started trending, with tweeters listing incidents from around Britain. It seems many people, both online and offline, have had personal experience of post-Brexit, racist Britain.

Any incident of racism or xenophobia is abhorrent and should be challenged. But the speed with which Remainers have exploited this apparent surge – in what is, at this point, largely anecdotal reports – has been shameful. Acting like the propaganda wing of the EU establishment, they have rushed to confirm the prejudices of the elites by arguing that these vague statistics and endless tweet allegations show just how racist the working-class, Leave-voting public is.

The media have been all over it. One BBC reporter asked if the vote had opened a ‘tidal wave of hatred’. Numerous articles in the Guardian have claimed that Brexit has ‘unleashed’ racist sentiment across the country. One commentator seriously claimed that ‘every Leave voter’ had encouraged racism – which was ironic, given that the same commentator voted to remain in an institution responsible for the deaths of thousands of non-European migrants in the Mediterranean every year. The onset of panic has revealed how the very publications and commentators who once claimed to stand up for the working class in fact view working-class people as a violent, racist horde.


As is said: the supposed 'spike' in racism is not all it seems. And 'hate crime' is such a nebulous term that it can mean anything from a dodgy, often 'homourous' comment (the kind that can be seen as humourous in a different context, or by a different person) to xenophobic nonsense on the Internet to racial abuse in the street to real life, full-blown kicking the crap out of someone.



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30 Jun 2016, 10:45 am

Thank you for posting this.

The genuine incidents of this are disgraceful and do not represent everyone who voted Leave.

It is the execrable Nigel Farage who has whipped up the fervor of the small percentage of people able to be encouraged in this end of the racial outlook spectrum.

What many foaming at the mouth Remainers refuse to acknowledge is:

1) Not everyone who voted Leave had immigration in mind.
Far more pressing is the back-door loss of plain and simple control over running one's own country in every aspect from business and finance down to the pettiest control issues, the type of sovereignty of which the UK had for a thousand years before recently, and which is enjoyed and exerted by all other countries except EU members, yet the other countries are villifying the UK for wanting the same rights again as they enjoy and would never give up? Hypocrites.

2) Not everyone who voted Leave WITH immigration in mind had racism or xenophobia in mind. That's a mindbender for the simple minded people who can't get their heads around that.

3) There are people who voted Leave who ARE of an ethnic/immigrant origin. Try telling those good people they are "racist."

I heard someone interviewed say something about his own concerns: "Not race, SPACE."

And here is just one example quote from a Remainer, and a gentleman of Pakistani descent, not a raving white-man pig racist:

Sajid Javid, Business Secretary, said before the Referendum:
"It's clear now that the United Kingdom should never have joined the European Union. In many ways it's a failing project...If this year's referendum were a vote on whether to join in the first place, I wouldn't hesitate to stand up and say Britain would be better off staying out."

And he had issues of self governance, financial concerns, and sovereignty in mind.

Mr. Javid was on the Remain side and yet had the balls and the balanced-enough view to say the above.

I could go on, but I won't.



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01 Jul 2016, 2:34 am

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3) There are people who voted Leave who ARE of an ethnic/immigrant origin. Try telling those good people they are "racist."


My local newsagent is British of South Asian Muslim background. He voted Leave.



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01 Jul 2016, 5:36 am

As I understand it the impetus to vote for Leave had more to do with anger about the free movement of labor within the EU, then with anger at the EU for allowing refugees from outside the EU to pass through the EU to get to Britain.

That is: there was more anger at the EU for allowing White folks from Poland to swamp Britain with cheap labor, and bidding down local wages, then with the EU allowing the few thousand brown skinned Syrians into Britain.


The Leave voting bloc doubtless included some racists, though it also apparently it also included brown skinned folks like that news guy.

But the thing is this: if you ARE a British Archie Bunker who hates brown people -then voting for Leave wouldnt do much to get you your desired end of bleaching Britain. A few thousand Syrian refugees coming in would be like a tea spoon being added to Britain's already long resident brown skinned Muslim population. That population is mostly Pakistanis.

And who is to "blame" (if its a bad thing) for Britain having so many "Pakis" (like that news man)?

Certainly NOT the EU.

You Brits have Pakis because of Queen Victoria, and that darned empire of hers back in the day (that the sun never set upon)! You all ruled the Indian subcontinent for two centuries and thats why the place has ties to the UK, and why you get immigration from Pakistan. Can't blame THAT on the European Union!

And that goes to other irony. Brexit isnt really about Britain being "free" of "globalization", its about which globalist organization does Britain identify with more: the EU, or with the commonwealth of nations. Leave, or stay, globalism wins. It just wins differently. Lol!



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28 Aug 2016, 5:19 pm

Tequila wrote:
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Britain has not become racist overnight
  • The post-Brexit ‘hate-crime spike’ is not all that it seems.

It seems many people, both online and offline, have had personal experience of post-Brexit, racist Britain.


The media have been all over it. One BBC reporter asked if the vote had opened a ‘tidal wave of hatred’. Numerous articles in the Guardian have claimed that Brexit has ‘unleashed’ racist sentiment across the country. One commentator seriously claimed that ‘every Leave voter’ had encouraged racism – which was ironic, given that the same commentator voted to remain in an institution responsible for the deaths of thousands of non-European migrants in the Mediterranean every year. The onset of panic has revealed how the very publications and commentators who once claimed to stand up for the working class in fact view working-class people as a violent, racist horde.


As is said: the supposed 'spike' in racism is not all it seems. And 'hate crime' is such a nebulous term that it can mean anything from a dodgy, often 'homourous' comment (the kind that can be seen as humourous in a different context, or by a different person) to xenophobic nonsense on the Internet to racial abuse in the street to real life, full-blown kicking the crap out of someone.


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I remember this a while back, there were articles Easter as I remember, wasn't it supposed to be Good Friday?

''Mr Shah was an Ahmadiyya Muslim, a group known for its non-violence and interfaith concerns.''
Ahmadiyya Muslims are persecuted in many parts of the world and are banned by the constitution of Pakistan from referring to themselves as Muslims.
Mr Shah was born in Rabwah, Pakistan, but moved to Scotland after he and his family were persecuted for their faith. They were granted asylum by the UK.

Shortly before his death had posted a message wishing a happy Easter “to my beloved Christian nation”.

This man was being condemned for not believing in some Muslim prophet, and inflicted multiple stabbings
and fractures on his skull.

Actually, if there is a God, then he will be in much safer hands now, than if he were still a shop-keeper.
Let his Pro- Muslim faith and Pro -Christian faith live on.



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03 Sep 2016, 12:19 pm

It may or may not have become more racist since June 23rd but it has certainly become more hate filled.

Genuinely saddens me how much anger and hatred there is in the UK these days. A certain section of brexiters took it as a green light to frequently shout their most angry hate filled views.



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03 Sep 2016, 5:32 pm

As I recall, your author, Dickens, referred to a Mrs. Jellaby and her telescopic philanthropy.



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03 Sep 2016, 5:45 pm

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It may or may not have become more racist since June 23rd but it has certainly become more hate filled.

Genuinely saddens me how much anger and hatred there is in the UK these days. A certain section of brexiters took it as a green light to frequently shout their most angry hate filled views.


The British people have been pushed aside for 60 years regarding uncontrolled immigration leading to forced multiculturalism. It beggars belief that we've been this tolerant. The only trouble is that we blame other normal people who come to this country rather than blaming the crooks who forced this upon us.


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03 Sep 2016, 9:53 pm

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It may or may not have become more racist since June 23rd but it has certainly become more hate filled.

Genuinely saddens me how much anger and hatred there is in the UK these days. A certain section of brexiters took it as a green light to frequently shout their most angry hate filled views.

My understanding is that the majority of people who chose to enter their ballot were older British citizens who carry more socially conservative views and are most anxious/uncertain about immigration/social change stoked by Nigel Farage and his ilk. Younger brits who are more liberal about immigration were unrepresented in the ballot explaining why the poll ended up just falling over the line in favor of brexit. Farage's billboards with hoards of illegal migrants streaming across bridges probably did enough to scare the populace.

Politicians on the far right tend to be "one trick ponys" obviously Nigel Farage has been discarded now that his role in Brexit is done.



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04 Sep 2016, 4:56 am

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Biscuitman wrote:
It may or may not have become more racist since June 23rd but it has certainly become more hate filled.

Genuinely saddens me how much anger and hatred there is in the UK these days. A certain section of brexiters took it as a green light to frequently shout their most angry hate filled views.

My understanding is that the majority of people who chose to enter their ballot were older British citizens who carry more socially conservative views and are most anxious/uncertain about immigration/social change stoked by Nigel Farage and his ilk. Younger brits who are more liberal about immigration were unrepresented in the ballot explaining why the poll ended up just falling over the line in favor of brexit. Farage's billboards with hoards of illegal migrants streaming across bridges probably did enough to scare the populace.

Politicians on the far right tend to be "one trick ponys" obviously Nigel Farage has been discarded now that his role in Brexit is done.


You realise that it didn't need Farage to tell people that immigration is out of control for them to understand? The younger generation are brainwashed via the education system to accept their fate. Was Enoch Powell a one trick pony?


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04 Sep 2016, 5:25 am

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cyberdad wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
It may or may not have become more racist since June 23rd but it has certainly become more hate filled.

Genuinely saddens me how much anger and hatred there is in the UK these days. A certain section of brexiters took it as a green light to frequently shout their most angry hate filled views.

My understanding is that the majority of people who chose to enter their ballot were older British citizens who carry more socially conservative views and are most anxious/uncertain about immigration/social change stoked by Nigel Farage and his ilk. Younger brits who are more liberal about immigration were unrepresented in the ballot explaining why the poll ended up just falling over the line in favor of brexit. Farage's billboards with hoards of illegal migrants streaming across bridges probably did enough to scare the populace.

Politicians on the far right tend to be "one trick ponys" obviously Nigel Farage has been discarded now that his role in Brexit is done.


You realise that it didn't need Farage to tell people that immigration is out of control for them to understand? The younger generation are brainwashed via the education system to accept their fate. Was Enoch Powell a one trick pony?


'Immigration is out of control' is not a fact, it is a Farage/Boris pushed opinion which millions of people disagree with.

You do realise that we have similar levels of immigration from outside the EU, which we are 100% in control of, but the Govt did nothing about restricting those numbers while Boris claimed the country was falling apart due to immigration? It's laughable.

Anyway, I still firmly believe we won't leave the EU in the way angry brexiters thought we would. I think we will either not leave or will join the EEA as it is (or with tiny changes) meaning we still live with many of the issues brexiters moaned about but we have less say over the laws we live under.



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04 Sep 2016, 8:16 am

JohnPowell wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
It may or may not have become more racist since June 23rd but it has certainly become more hate filled.

Genuinely saddens me how much anger and hatred there is in the UK these days. A certain section of brexiters took it as a green light to frequently shout their most angry hate filled views.

My understanding is that the majority of people who chose to enter their ballot were older British citizens who carry more socially conservative views and are most anxious/uncertain about immigration/social change stoked by Nigel Farage and his ilk. Younger brits who are more liberal about immigration were unrepresented in the ballot explaining why the poll ended up just falling over the line in favor of brexit. Farage's billboards with hoards of illegal migrants streaming across bridges probably did enough to scare the populace.

Politicians on the far right tend to be "one trick ponys" obviously Nigel Farage has been discarded now that his role in Brexit is done.


You realise that it didn't need Farage to tell people that immigration is out of control for them to understand? The younger generation are brainwashed via the education system to accept their fate. Was Enoch Powell a one trick pony?


Well it's funny that Johnson/Farage don't seem to have any use to the Tories now that Brexit is done. Enoch Powell appealed to a particular demographic and yes he was particularly good at fearmongering...



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04 Sep 2016, 8:39 am

I am just glad my ancestors kicked queen and country out of america, and at least tried to make something better.

Britan has a long history of dividing, conquering, and stabbing other countries in the back in order to obtain recources, power, and control.

If that is not racist, it is something worse.



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04 Sep 2016, 11:15 am

Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
It may or may not have become more racist since June 23rd but it has certainly become more hate filled.

Genuinely saddens me how much anger and hatred there is in the UK these days. A certain section of brexiters took it as a green light to frequently shout their most angry hate filled views.

My understanding is that the majority of people who chose to enter their ballot were older British citizens who carry more socially conservative views and are most anxious/uncertain about immigration/social change stoked by Nigel Farage and his ilk. Younger brits who are more liberal about immigration were unrepresented in the ballot explaining why the poll ended up just falling over the line in favor of brexit. Farage's billboards with hoards of illegal migrants streaming across bridges probably did enough to scare the populace.

Politicians on the far right tend to be "one trick ponys" obviously Nigel Farage has been discarded now that his role in Brexit is done.


You realise that it didn't need Farage to tell people that immigration is out of control for them to understand? The younger generation are brainwashed via the education system to accept their fate. Was Enoch Powell a one trick pony?


'Immigration is out of control' is not a fact, it is a Farage/Boris pushed opinion which millions of people disagree with.

You do realise that we have similar levels of immigration from outside the EU, which we are 100% in control of, but the Govt did nothing about restricting those numbers while Boris claimed the country was falling apart due to immigration? It's laughable.

Anyway, I still firmly believe we won't leave the EU in the way angry brexiters thought we would. I think we will either not leave or will join the EEA as it is (or with tiny changes) meaning we still live with many of the issues brexiters moaned about but we have less say over the laws we live under.


It's been out of control since the 60's and has been forced upon the British people against their will. I don't care about Farage or Boris.

I look it as a whole like the sheer numbers and the type of people coming in, as well as any 'refugees'. There are many reasons the country is falling apart, mass immigration is one of them.

I agree, just look at what the crooked monsters did when it came to referendums and elections in Ireland and Greece. These maniacs do not care what people think, all they are interested in is pleasing the bankers and co. We didn't have any say before, our decisions are made by the bankers and the bureaucrats in Brussels/Germany/France and the bankers. The vote for us to leave will most likely end up with us being punished even further for having the cheek to defy them.


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04 Sep 2016, 11:19 am

cyberdad wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
It may or may not have become more racist since June 23rd but it has certainly become more hate filled.

Genuinely saddens me how much anger and hatred there is in the UK these days. A certain section of brexiters took it as a green light to frequently shout their most angry hate filled views.

My understanding is that the majority of people who chose to enter their ballot were older British citizens who carry more socially conservative views and are most anxious/uncertain about immigration/social change stoked by Nigel Farage and his ilk. Younger brits who are more liberal about immigration were unrepresented in the ballot explaining why the poll ended up just falling over the line in favor of brexit. Farage's billboards with hoards of illegal migrants streaming across bridges probably did enough to scare the populace.

Politicians on the far right tend to be "one trick ponys" obviously Nigel Farage has been discarded now that his role in Brexit is done.


You realise that it didn't need Farage to tell people that immigration is out of control for them to understand? The younger generation are brainwashed via the education system to accept their fate. Was Enoch Powell a one trick pony?


Well it's funny that Johnson/Farage don't seem to have any use to the Tories now that Brexit is done. Enoch Powell appealed to a particular demographic and yes he was particularly good at fearmongering...


The main front benchers of the Tories wanted us to stay in and they've pretty much gone too. Cameron is a complete shambolic cretin. He and his buddies only prepared for one outcome in the referendum, as they are/were that stupid and arrogant. Now the voters are taking the blame. Powell appealed to most of the country, hence why a large majority of the British people agreed with his 1968 speech. He actually completely underestimated with his figures, so he wasn't fear mongering at all.


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04 Sep 2016, 11:20 am

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I am just glad my ancestors kicked queen and country out of america, and at least tried to make something better.

Britan has a long history of dividing, conquering, and stabbing other countries in the back in order to obtain recources, power, and control.

If that is not racist, it is something worse.


Cause America doesn't do that?


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