Poor and minority voter disenfranchisement in Wisconsin

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29 Sep 2016, 9:11 pm

Because of Wisconsin's strict voter ID law and because his sister had misplaced his Illinois birth certificate, this man who recently moved from Illinois can't register to vote despite having his Illinois photo ID, social security card, and proof of residence. They say he must drive down to Illinois and pick up another copy of his birth certificate, but the problem is he can't afford to do that:

https://www.thenation.com/article/wisco ... -november/

Consider how rare voter fraud was before these ridiculous laws were passed, it's clear that what's happening to this man is exactly what the people who passed this legislation intended, but so as not to admit to adopting a policy of deliberate poor and minority voter disenfranchisement they use the virtually non-existent voter fraud as a pretext.


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30 Sep 2016, 10:15 am

Well OF COURSE they wouldn't want poor people and minorities voting because if republiCONS can't get their votes, they have to stop them from voting altogether so they use voter fraud as an excuse to set up a crap ton of red tape to keep anyone planning to vote democrat from voting. It's called cheating, but they'd call it a piece of **** by any other name so that it almost doesn't sound like cheating.


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30 Sep 2016, 11:08 am

In my state, they implemented the same policy at the DMV.

They say homeland security requires people to prove citizenship.



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30 Sep 2016, 11:11 am

It's nonsense, there is a system in place and voter fraud does happen. There are deadlines to register to vote, there are deadlines to get a free IDs. There are logistic issues, things don't work like magic. The amount of people 'disenfranchised' is more overstated than the alleged overstatement of fraud which specifically happens a lot in Milwaukee I might add. The said something like a 100 people in the primary had issues so it sounds like the system isn't working too bad. The guy that had to go to another state had other circumstances about correcting a mistake on his birth certificate. Once a person has an ID, it shouldn't be an issue in the future so eventually any problem will straighten itself out. It's just a false narrative, trying to stir up the minority vote which Hillary is afraid will stay home.



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30 Sep 2016, 1:14 pm

Jacoby wrote:
It's nonsense, there is a system in place and voter fraud does happen. There are deadlines to register to vote, there are deadlines to get a free IDs. There are logistic issues, things don't work like magic. The amount of people 'disenfranchised' is more overstated than the alleged overstatement of fraud which specifically happens a lot in Milwaukee I might add. The said something like a 100 people in the primary had issues so it sounds like the system isn't working too bad. The guy that had to go to another state had other circumstances about correcting a mistake on his birth certificate. Once a person has an ID, it shouldn't be an issue in the future so eventually any problem will straighten itself out. It's just a false narrative, trying to stir up the minority vote which Hillary is afraid will stay home.


This is total gaslighting. Good grief, dude. You and the truth have always had a poor relationship.

From the OP article:

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 Nine percent of registered voters in Wisconsin don’t have a valid voter ID and many are still struggling to get the documents they need to vote in November. It appears that Wisconsin is violating multiple court orders by not promptly giving eligible citizens free IDs or certificates for voting. This is particularly concerning, since early voting began this week in cities like Madison and Milwaukee and thousands of Wisconsinites are casting ballots.


That's 9 percent of registered voters, which I hope you can see comes to magnitudes of order greater than 100 voters.


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30 Sep 2016, 2:22 pm

9% of registered voters not having an ID doesn't mean that 9% of the voters would of voted or that 9% haven't been able to get IDs, the shut ins that have zero government identification are few and far in between. The article mentioned 100 people from the primary so it's an easy issue to tackle going forward, no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. There is a process to getting a free ID in Wisconsin, once somebody has an ID it shouldn't be an issue in the future should it? If you lose your wallet or whatever then you can vote on a provisional ballot and prove your identity later, it's unlucky but that's not the state's fault. Same with the guy who had a mistake on his birth certificate.

I do not buy the argument that requiring ID disenfranchises poor or minority voters and voter fraud does happen.



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30 Sep 2016, 3:05 pm

Jacoby wrote:
9% of registered voters not having an ID doesn't mean that 9% of the voters would of voted or that 9% haven't been able to get IDs, the shut ins that have zero government identification are few and far in between. The article mentioned 100 people from the primary so it's an easy issue to tackle going forward, no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. There is a process to getting a free ID in Wisconsin, once somebody has an ID it shouldn't be an issue in the future should it? If you lose your wallet or whatever then you can vote on a provisional ballot and prove your identity later, it's unlucky but that's not the state's fault. Same with the guy who had a mistake on his birth certificate.

I do not buy the argument that requiring ID disenfranchises poor or minority voters and voter fraud does happen.


Dude, have you read the article? I'm not going to walk you through the entire article.


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01 Oct 2016, 3:46 am

For all the Republican talk about protecting the sanctity of our democratic vote from voter fraud, the real travesty is all about depriving legitimate voters from exercising their right to vote as Americans. What makes it all the worse is that vulnerable groups that have been disenfranchised in the past, such as the poor and minorities, are the ones having that right to take part in government stripped from them.
Rather than trying to woo poor and minority voters to their cause, Republicans are more interested in nullifying their right to vote, because Republicans know their politics of exclusion aren't going to attract said poor and minority voters.


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