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24 Nov 2016, 7:12 am

How to Avoid Stephen Hawking's Dark Prediction for Humanity


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24 Nov 2016, 11:13 am

1000 Years? I personally predict we won't last the next ten.


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24 Nov 2016, 3:26 pm

When told the reason for daylight savings time the old Indian said, ‘Only a white man would believe that you could cut a foot off the top of a blanket and sew it to the bottom of a blanket and have a longer blanket.’

So, let me get this straight...
You only have one Earth.
You use it up 1.5 times.
And, you can keep doing this for 1,000 years.

This sounds like the math of theoretical physicists, trying to count the number of quantum angels, dancing on the head of a cosmological pin.

"A Malthusian catastrophe (also known as Malthusian check or Malthusian spectre) is a prediction of a forced return to subsistence-level conditions once population growth has outpaced agricultural production."
-- wikipedia

Observationally speaking, it's happened dozens of times, already, even disfiguring the landscape.

While I am taking proactive steps, in the way of developing new kinds of agriculture, the problem of improvidence answers itself.



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24 Nov 2016, 5:37 pm

I think our technology and maturity are fatally out of sync and it would take some very lucky coincidences to get enough people on the page to fix that in time.


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27 Nov 2016, 7:31 pm

Aspiegaming wrote:
1000 Years? I personally predict we won't last the next ten.


You, most likely, will live long enough to know that you were wrong.

I am over 80 so I might not live long enough to find out if you were right.


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27 Nov 2016, 7:34 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
When told the reason for daylight savings time the old Indian said, ‘Only a white man would believe that you could cut a foot off the top of a blanket and sew it to the bottom of a blanket and have a longer blanket.’

So, let me get this straight...
You only have one Earth.
You use it up 1.5 times.
And, you can keep doing this for 1,000 years.

This sounds like the math of theoretical physicists, trying to count the number of quantum angels, dancing on the head of a cosmological pin.

"A Malthusian catastrophe (also known as Malthusian check or Malthusian spectre) is a prediction of a forced return to subsistence-level conditions once population growth has outpaced agricultural production."
-- wikipedia

Observationally speaking, it's happened dozens of times, already, even disfiguring the landscape.

While I am taking proactive steps, in the way of developing new kinds of agriculture, the problem of improvidence answers itself.


If the Siberian and Deccan traps and the Chixilub Bollide did not finish life on Earth, Earth will remain a domain of life, very likely, for the next billion years. However there is no such assurance for the human race. We could eliminate ourselves without all that much difficulty.


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27 Nov 2016, 7:42 pm

AspergianMutantt wrote:
How to Avoid Stephen Hawking's Dark Prediction for Humanity


Hawking is being more pessimistic than the facts warrant. He just likes the idea of humans colonizing in deep space.

There is a problem however: Our propulsion technology is essentially the same as the Tang Dynasty rockets. They existed about 1000 to 1400 hundred years ago. With burn and coast propulsion we are limited in payload.

We need a proper propulsion system to become a deep space faring civilization. Rockets are roughly at the same technological level as hollowed out logs in relation to wind sailing vessels.


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28 Nov 2016, 1:56 am

BaalChatzaf wrote:
Aspiegaming wrote:
1000 Years? I personally predict we won't last the next ten.


You, most likely, will live long enough to know that you were wrong.

I am over 80 so I might not live long enough to find out if you were right.


I certainly hope I'll be wrong. I have no faith in the future the way things are going right now.


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28 Nov 2016, 8:10 pm

Aspiegaming wrote:
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1000 Years? I personally predict we won't last the next ten.


You, most likely, will live long enough to know that you were wrong.

I am over 80 so I might not live long enough to find out if you were right.


I certainly hope I'll be wrong. I have no faith in the future the way things are going right now.


During the bubonic plague time in Europe things were far, far worse. Many Christians thought the end of the world was at hand as related in the Book of Revelations.


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29 Nov 2016, 6:36 pm

Hawking also warned that the Pioneer spacecraft will attract malevolent aliens to attack Earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_plaque

It's interesting the humans pictured on the image greeting aliens represent the 15% of the human population who rule over the other 85%

So rather than malevolent the aliens might think they saving the 85% of the human race from their Caucasian overlords



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29 Nov 2016, 8:28 pm

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Hawking also warned that the Pioneer spacecraft will attract malevolent aliens to attack Earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_plaque

It's interesting the humans pictured on the image greeting aliens represent the 15% of the human population who rule over the other 85%

So rather than malevolent the aliens might think they saving the 85% of the human race from their Caucasian overlords


Or none of the above. Our Pioneer vehicle is not even a tenth of the way to the closest star (other than the sun). The chance of any intelligent being picking it up AND making sense out of it is virtually zero.


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29 Nov 2016, 8:34 pm

In my opinion, Hawking has apparently reached the bottom of the barrel. Sure, he once had great and noble ideas, but lately, he only speaks up within the sci-fi / fantasy realms. Why?


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29 Nov 2016, 8:43 pm

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In my opinion, Hawking has apparently reached the bottom of the barrel. Sure, he once had great and noble ideas, but lately, he only speaks up within the sci-fi / fantasy realms. Why?


Lately he has been hosting sci fi and fantasy programs on TV.

The chances of the human race making any kind of contact whatsoever with another sentient extra-terrestrial species is virtually zero. We started broadcasting electromagnetic communications 140 years ago or there about. The means no stellar civilization more than 140 light years away even knows we exist.


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29 Nov 2016, 10:13 pm

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The chances of the human race making any kind of contact whatsoever with another sentient extra-terrestrial species is virtually zero. We started broadcasting electromagnetic communications 140 years ago or there about. The means no stellar civilization more than 140 light years away even knows we exist.

From what I understand they'd more than likely need to be in our local cluster to do anything about hearing or seeing us. The speed the clusters are diverging at is a significant barrier. That more than likely shrinks the odds down from aliens in all of space to aliens in the Milky Way, Andromeda, and a few other smaller clusters.


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30 Nov 2016, 1:03 am

BaalChatzaf wrote:
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Hawking also warned that the Pioneer spacecraft will attract malevolent aliens to attack Earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_plaque

It's interesting the humans pictured on the image greeting aliens represent the 15% of the human population who rule over the other 85%

So rather than malevolent the aliens might think they saving the 85% of the human race from their Caucasian overlords


Or none of the above. Our Pioneer vehicle is not even a tenth of the way to the closest star (other than the sun). The chance of any intelligent being picking it up AND making sense out of it is virtually zero.


Logic dictates the probability that life only evolved once in the entire known universe is impossible. Given that earth like planets evolved billions of years before our own earth means other life forms have evolved beyond our simple organic forms and are most likely "post-biological" existing outside of time and space. Such sentient beings are not only aware we exist (which means Pioneer was a waste of time) but consider us the same way we might consider a lone E.coli bacteria swimming in the Pacific ocean...



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30 Nov 2016, 7:13 am

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Given that earth like planets evolved billions of years before our own earth means other life forms have evolved beyond our simple organic forms and are most likely "post-biological" existing outside of time and space.

I'd get the impression that our movement to that state is so much about what 'golden wedding garments at the supper of the Lamb' and things of that nature are about. Also with respect to people's experiences occasionally with another personality, sometimes never seen before or again, looking back at them in their own mind's eye with such irreproducable intensity or with such secondary effects on their body or nervous system that they know something really unusual (for better or for worse) is happening - these would at least suggest on the surface such progress is possible.


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