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28 Jan 2017, 5:55 pm

The Hill: '1984' sells out on Amazon

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Sales of George Orwell's dystopian novel "1984" have been surging since President Trump's inauguration — so much so that the book officially sold out on Amazon Thursday.


It's a good read. Depressing, but interesting.



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28 Jan 2017, 6:16 pm

androbot01 wrote:
The Hill: '1984' sells out on Amazon

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Sales of George Orwell's dystopian novel "1984" have been surging since President Trump's inauguration — so much so that the book officially sold out on Amazon Thursday.


It's a good read. Depressing, but interesting.


Indeed. It was Eric Blaire's riff on the Soviet Union, Communism and Stalin.
"Animal Farm" directly addressed communism and the feud between Stalin and Trotsky. Stalin had Trotsky assassinate in Mexico.


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28 Jan 2017, 6:25 pm

Considering how often I see people dropping the name everywhere, that doesn't surprise me. My guess is most people who keep saying "1984" and things like "newspeek" haven't actually read the novel. Personally I'd rather have a certain segment of society running around with copies of 1984 and calling the President Big Brother, than have them running around with copies of Mein Kampf and calling him Hitler.



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28 Jan 2017, 6:35 pm

I read Vonnegut's Player Piano back in school. It was interesting too.

These executive orders are distressing as they are one man's decision and they are effecting the world. He looks like a king signing a decree.
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28 Jan 2017, 6:48 pm

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These executive orders are distressing as they are one man's decision and they are effecting the world. He looks like a king signing a decree.

And Obama signing (277) executive orders looks like . . . what?

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28 Jan 2017, 6:56 pm

Darmok, can you find one with Obama holding up the document to show his signature. I know all presidents and leaders surround themselves with the accoutrements of the office, but honestly Trump is a showman. It wouldn't bother me, but I fear there is no underlying substance, or worse, that the substance is not desirable.



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28 Jan 2017, 7:15 pm

I forgot this children's picture book:

Terrible Things: An Allegory of the Holocaust, by Eve Bunting

It's simple, but effective.



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28 Jan 2017, 9:37 pm

EzraS wrote:
Considering how often I see people dropping the name everywhere, that doesn't surprise me. My guess is most people who keep saying "1984" and things like "newspeek" haven't actually read the novel. Personally I'd rather have a certain segment of society running around with copies of 1984 and calling the President Big Brother, than have them running around with copies of Mein Kampf and calling him Hitler.

It's really not rocket science to see the similarities though...Orwell's animal farm was a parody of authoritarian governments.



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28 Jan 2017, 9:49 pm

I would rather that everybody become familiar with Mein Kampf so that they can learn the incredibly important reasons why it is extremely important to question everything. Seriously, I will embed a video-clip that reads a translated portion of Mein Kampf, then you should load it in a new tab and READ THE COMMENTS...


The irony is that it sounds like Hitler's book is talking about and describing modern-day America...
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Personally I'd rather have a certain segment of society running around with copies of 1984 and calling the President Big Brother, than have them running around with copies of Mein Kampf and calling him Hitler.


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28 Jan 2017, 10:23 pm

cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Considering how often I see people dropping the name everywhere, that doesn't surprise me. My guess is most people who keep saying "1984" and things like "newspeek" haven't actually read the novel. Personally I'd rather have a certain segment of society running around with copies of 1984 and calling the President Big Brother, than have them running around with copies of Mein Kampf and calling him Hitler.

It's really not rocket science to see the similarities though...Orwell's animal farm was a parody of authoritarian governments.


If it's something that has been applied to other president's and their administrations, as has been the case with the ubiquitous Hitler/Nazi comparisons, it doesn't seem like any kind of a valid science at all. I pretty much know ahead of time what I will find if I start doing searches for Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan and Orwell's 1984 or similar works.

Yep just as I expected:

- Big Brother Obama: George Orwell's '1984' POTUS
- Barack Obama is George Orwell's Kind of President.
- The Obama Presidency - George Orwell's 1984 Redux
- Obama's Corruption of the English Language Comes Right From Orwell's "1984"
- Obama Making Orwell's 1984 Come True!


And many more.

Lots of these too:

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28 Jan 2017, 10:34 pm

Trust me: You wouldn't want to live under Orwell's Big Brother. I've read 1984 a few times, and also saw the movie (which sucked).

Living under Big Brother is more like living in North Korea than lived in the US--but we have make sure we don't get near to North Korea's level of authoritarianism.

All the Nazi/Hitler comparisons applied to US Presidents (including Trump) are ridiculous.



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28 Jan 2017, 10:36 pm

And everyone of course remembers the pro-Obama anti-Hillary ad from 2008, right?



(For the young folks, it's based on the brilliant Apple Computer ad that actually did appear in 1984.)


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28 Jan 2017, 10:43 pm

Here's a real challenge: Find a president or presidential candidate finalist in the last 25 years, who hasn't had a 1984 comparison made to them.



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28 Jan 2017, 10:49 pm

EzraS wrote:
Here's a real challenge: Find a president or presidential candidate finalist in the last 25 years who hasn't had a 1984 comparison made to them.

And find a Republican candidate who hasn't been totally absolutely OMG HITLER!! !! :roll:


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28 Jan 2017, 10:54 pm

Everybody has been compared to Hitler. Every president, every prime minister, you name it. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mother Teresa being compared to Hitler.



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28 Jan 2017, 11:00 pm

...BTW , just recently reading and re-reading a lot of Orwell,s essays c/o Gutenberg Australia reminded that , in America , Orwell,s having been a fairly dedicated Socialist (capital letters , I think) tends to be played down . Maybe he was less so by thhe time he wrote 1984and Animal Farm I,m not hat knwledgeable about hiis personal life .
In those rwell essays he comes ut against : liberal : liberaldemocracy or capitalism or both , I forget , and I do think American praise publicity foor the two novels tends to - play - that -- dwn .
(Note: My saying this should not be interpreted as saying that I desribe myself as a Socialist - or that I do not - Or that I am saying : Socialism is good : OR : Socialism is bad : . I don,t want to get into that argument .I.
,m talking historical background here .)


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