What Are Protesrors Trying To Accomplish?

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29 Jan 2017, 6:30 pm

First of all, I am a democrat. The candidate of the opposition party won the presidential election. I accepted that and moved on. It appears that some people cannot. I can't figure out the motivation of the protestors. Do they honestly think that Trump is going to have a sudden change of heart and say "I can now see the error of my ways and I am going to immediately change my policies and I am going to resign". To me it is almost like being a sore loser. If someone feels the current policies are wrong they can vote in different candidates at the state, local and national levels who agree with their point of view. Am I missing something as to why people are demonstrating?



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29 Jan 2017, 6:33 pm

Aspinator wrote:
First of all, I am a democrat. The candidate of the opposition party won the presidential election. I accepted that and moved on. It appears that some people cannot. I can't figure out the motivation of the protestors. Do they honestly think that Trump is going to have a sudden change of heart and say "I can now see the error of my ways and I am going to immediately change my policies and I am going to resign". To me it is almost like being a sore loser. If someone feels the current policies are wrong they can vote in different candidates at the state, local and national levels who agree with their point of view. Am I missing something as to why people are demonstrating?

The more the protestors protest at state capitols, large airports and Washington, D.C., the more hard-earned cash they burn through with nothing to show for it. Who knows? There might not be enough wealth among Democrats to finance another presidential campaign in four years. To paraphrase Ron Weasley, "they need to sort out their priorities."


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29 Jan 2017, 7:58 pm

Georges Soros wants to fund a 'Color Revolution' in this country



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29 Jan 2017, 10:48 pm

I've had the same thoughts. I think there's a number of factors involved. I think in some do it just to be there. So they can say they did it. Some believe it will have an actual impact and will cite times in the past where protestors got what they wanted.

But I think probably what went on inside buildings with people wearing suits and signing papers, are what made something happened regardless of the protesters. But the protesters will take credit for it and enjoy the illusion of being in power.

A couple of protests or more lately just looked like a mass tantrum. Another looked like a parade. The latest seemed more noble.



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29 Jan 2017, 11:03 pm

First of all the democrat party and the media has portrayed Trump as some kind of absolute evil. Even tough Eisenhower also cracked down hard on illegal immigration. And the thing they are protesting at airports is not that different from a measure taken by Obama a year ago. Were where all those protesters then.



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29 Jan 2017, 11:12 pm

I think a lot of people let themselves get brainwashed and lose all objectivity.



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29 Jan 2017, 11:30 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
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First of all, I am a democrat. The candidate of the opposition party won the presidential election. I accepted that and moved on. It appears that some people cannot. I can't figure out the motivation of the protestors. Do they honestly think that Trump is going to have a sudden change of heart and say "I can now see the error of my ways and I am going to immediately change my policies and I am going to resign". To me it is almost like being a sore loser. If someone feels the current policies are wrong they can vote in different candidates at the state, local and national levels who agree with their point of view. Am I missing something as to why people are demonstrating?

The more the protestors protest at state capitols, large airports and Washington, D.C., the more hard-earned cash they burn through with nothing to show for it. Who knows? There might not be enough wealth among Democrats to finance another presidential campaign in four years. To paraphrase Ron Weasley, "they need to sort out their priorities."


Hey, it worked for the Republicans in 2009, and their opponent had won the actual popular vote.


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29 Jan 2017, 11:32 pm

Why are protesters protesting? It's because of green card holders that now find themselves detained indefinitely, people who had already been approved for visas now getting detained, all needlessly because Trump wanted to make a big show, and Bannon and Miller, who made sure green card holders were included in the ban, were trying to do something...

We don't want our government operating in such a capricious manner, and we consider what he's doing to be a violation of rights. We're going to fight for those rights! No one should expect any less.


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29 Jan 2017, 11:37 pm

From what I've heard, it makes people feel empowered and builds a sense of community, and they think they're bringing the issue to the attention of the country and hopefully changing the mind of the government. If the government is supposed to serve the people and a whole bunch of people are protesting the actions of the government, theoretically that thing should change.

Some people do it so they can say they were "a part of history." Some do it for fun (usually these are the people holding snarky signs that have little to do with the subject of the protest). People who live near the place where the protest is happening join out of curiosity (this happened at my college when BLM did a march; they attracted a crowd when they walked past a residence hall and doubled their ranks).



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29 Jan 2017, 11:58 pm

Another motivator that's appeared is it looks like the CBP refused to follow court orders to allow detainees to see attorneys:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tru ... 6377953710

If this is true, then I guess with someone like Trump in charge, and Bannon and Miller at his right hand, the CBP agents now feel emboldened to tell the courts f-you.


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30 Jan 2017, 2:27 am

I typically don't agree with protests. I think they're a waste of time, and the act of a sore loser when they're done to try and change something.

I did get emotional at the airport protest in New York the other day. But, this is not because I believe that it will work according to the intentions of those taking part. Thinking of it as an attempt to change something, I feel the same as I always have - a waste of time and an act of a sore loser.

Instead, I think it's about the message to other people. That's what got me. That people being persecuted can stand amongst those that aren't, whilst they all together say that this is not acceptable. On a big scale it's not going to make a bit of difference, but to the people in that crowd that are from these persecuted countries (and perhaps to those inside if they could hear), it's a message that not everyone is against them. And I think that's a huge thing.

Fact is, Muslims are getting this message from so many places now. "You're not welcome. We don't want you." In the UK, too. Racism is growing and somehow becoming more acceptable, and that's horrific. So, I'm all for privileged white people standing up and saying "This isn't my view. You're welcome here.", not to change anything but to at least send out the message that we are not all against them.



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30 Jan 2017, 3:23 am

Jacoby wrote:
Georges Soros wants to fund a 'Color Revolution' in this country

Wow this is stupid. George Soros couldn't do a damn thing if there weren't MILLIONS of people who WANT to protest. You really think they all are being paid? :wall: Ordinary people DO NOT LIKE TRUMP. Get that through your thick head.



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30 Jan 2017, 3:36 am

People are afraid. Yes he banned people from certain countries from entering the US but the problem is it's also separating families and people not being able to return back home to their country (our country) where their car is, their stuff, their house, their job and they were overseas visiting family and then trump sign the paper for this. I thought that was so wrong because he was generalizing a group of people and now he is claiming this was not a Muslim ban when before he talked about wanting to ban them from entering and also saying he wanted them to be registered as Muslim. It feels like we are repeating the past again. Even if they have a green card or a visa, they are still being denied entering our country and people were sent back on the plane when they landed because he had signed the paper while they were flying.

Protesters are just showing they will not be tolerating his bigotry. I am sure they have Muslim friends and family and my cousin's wife is Muslim and she is also afraid for herself and her children but she is from India and she has family in India but her parents live here in the US too.


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30 Jan 2017, 3:37 am

People are afraid. Yes he banned people from certain countries from entering the US but the problem is it's also separating families and people not being able to return back home to their country (our country) where their car is, their stuff, their house, their job and they were overseas visiting family and then trump sign the paper for this. I thought that was so wrong because he was generalizing a group of people and now he is claiming this was not a Muslim ban when before he talked about wanting to ban them from entering and also saying he wanted them to be registered as Muslim. It feels like we are repeating the past again. Even if they have a green card or a visa, they are still being denied entering our country and people were sent back on the plane when they landed because he had signed the paper while they were flying.

Protesters are just showing they will not be tolerating his bigotry. I am sure they have Muslim friends and family and my cousin's wife is Muslim and she is also afraid for herself and her children but she is from India and she has family in India but her parents live here in the US too.


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30 Jan 2017, 6:31 am

Great question! And great comments to go with your post. I am sort of the reverse of you--a Conservative Independent, who mostly votes Republican. I hated Obama being pres, but would never have gone off to throw public tantrums about it. Once my candidate conceded, the election was over, so it was time to move on to other things. I had to hold my nose to vote for both Bushes, as both are RINOs, which is basically Liberal lite. In the 2000 primaries I was going to vote for Alan Keyes, who is black, but I believe he dropped out before the primary election took place. If not, then I voted for him in the primary. I don't care what color or gender the candidate is. I care about their stand on the issues, their prior experience, and how likely they are to carry out what they say they are going to do to fix things. Alan Keyes fit that bill for me. Previous experience has shown me that Liberals and Rinos will promise whatever they think their constituents want to hear, but then seldom deliver on those promises. President Trump has business experience, and is a pragmatist, so he is a doer, which is what we need to fix what's wrong with the country. I don't believe that he is a true Conservative, but he does seem to be pro American. I am also impressed with how well he gets along with his kids, and most of his employees. Also, his kids seem pretty stable, which combined with his good employee relations seems to indicate that he is good at getting along with people. This can be very helpful for a president. Being a doer will also be good, both for him, and for us.

As for the protesters. Some of them are paid agitators. The "foremen" ones know what's going on, the rank and file agitators are just in it for the money. Many others are just mindless students who are the product of socialist curriculums geared to dumb down the kids. This process of dumbing down the kids runs from kindergarten thru most colleges and universities and seems to have started either in the late 1950s or early 1960s. When agitators want more bodies at protests, they easily get them at colleges and univerities by stirring up these dumbed down kids with trigger words and phrases that get them to follow along and attend protests, and even participate in violence when the paid agitators turn the protests into riots.

Remember, if you block access, impede movement, or engage in acts of vandalism or violence you are no longer engaging in a legal protest. You have crossed over into an illegal riot, and can, and should be arrested. I have no quarrel with legal protests, but am totally against rioting.

In our country we get to vote for a new president every 4 years, with a limit of 2 terms for any one candidate. The most recent election is over, Trump won, so for at least the next 4 years he is the president. Now it's time to move on to other things.
Also, remember, the side that wins gets to set the agenda. I hated what Obama did for his 8 years in the Whitehouse, but his side did get to set the agenda while he was there. I never went off to throw a riot/tantrum because of it. Now he is out, Trump is in, and his side now gets to set the agenda. For those who don't like it, it's not a reason to throw a tantrum. Just get on with your life, till the next presidential election.

Those who throw protest/riot/tantrums are being rather infantile, and when they add vandalism and violence to the mix, they are also being uncivilized barbarians. Civilized people don't take rioters points of view seriously. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to present your point of view with logical arguements and proofs, but without vandalism and violence. Simply calling the opposition names doesn't count as a logical arguement or proof.

Hope I've cleared up some of your confusion on the rioters. :D


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30 Jan 2017, 5:05 pm

They are just moronic puppets of the establishment. They were nowhere when Obama was bombing these countries or when Obama banned Iraqi refugees for 6 months in 2011.


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