New York Becomes First State To Offer Free Four Year College

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10 Apr 2017, 5:08 pm

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/education/new-york-becomes-first-state-offer-free-four-year-college-n744561


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10 Apr 2017, 5:11 pm

That's a great start but this needs to happen in more states.


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10 Apr 2017, 5:34 pm

OMG!! This is one of the most LUDICROUS things I've ever heard-of, in my LIFE----ESPECIALLY, because it's being offered to families with an income less than $100,000 ($125,000, in a couple of years)! ! Any family making that much, should be able to afford sending their kids to college----that's like, upper-middle class!! Are you (the NY governor) friggin' KIDDING me!!

Also, who's gonna pay for the increase in the budget----I'll tell you who, the POOR working-class, cuz people who make $99,999 can afford to pay for an accountant, to find loopholes in the tax laws!! So, something that SHOULD HAVE been intended for the POOR / disadvantaged, will end-up costing them, MORE!! Oh, yeah, THAT makes TOTAL sense----NOT!!

Also, who's gonna get most of the spots----I'll tell ya who, the families making $99,999 a year, that's who; cuz, poor kids might have only one parent who is working three jobs, and doesn't have time to keep after them, to apply!!





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10 Apr 2017, 6:42 pm

100k is not very much money, especially when you consider that's the total annual income for the entire family.

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[b]OMG!! This is one of the most LUDICROUS things I've ever heard-of, in my LIFE----ESPECIALLY, because it's being offered to families with an income less than $100,000 ($125,000, in a couple of years)! ! Any family making that much, should be able to afford sending their kids to college----that's like, upper-middle class!! Are you (the NY governor) friggin' KIDDING me!!


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10 Apr 2017, 7:12 pm

I didnt know NY was fiscally healthy enough to offer something like that for free.


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11 Apr 2017, 1:16 am

$100,000K in New York especially in the Greater NYC area is worth a lot less then most elsewhere in America due to the cost of living and taxes.

This is all about Cuomo's presidential ambitions, specifically an attempt to get on board with the ascendent Occupy Wall Street/Sanders wing of the party.


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11 Apr 2017, 6:01 am

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OMG!! This is one of the most LUDICROUS things I've ever heard-of, in my LIFE----ESPECIALLY, because it's being offered to families with an income less than $100,000 ($125,000, in a couple of years)! ! Any family making that much, should be able to afford sending their kids to college----that's like, upper-middle class!! Are you (the NY governor) friggin' KIDDING me!!
100k is not very much money, especially when you consider that's the total annual income for the entire family.

Tell that to the single mother of two kids, who works three jobs / 70 hours-a-week, and still isn't clearing $40,000-a-year----THAT'S the family for which there should be a program; cuz, like I said, the poor are the ones who are gonna be footing the bill for this, through increased taxes.




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11 Apr 2017, 6:04 am

The 100k limit is mostly meaningless.

As a student, you can get your own apartment (with help from your rich parents), file your own tax form, and your "household income" will be under the 100k.



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12 Apr 2017, 8:05 am

Though this free tuition for four year college does not extend to everybody of that income level. It only extends to students attending college in the State University of New York system or the City University of New York System. The over 400,000 students (roughly equivalent to the number of students in the SUNY system) who attend other colleges in the state won't be getting this free tuition program. So unfortunately, this program does not mean free college for everyone.



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12 Apr 2017, 10:29 am

Cuomo’s free tuition program comes with a major catch

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Under a provision that was added to the tuition bill at the last moment, students who get a free ride at CUNY and SUNY schools must live and work in New York state for up to four years after graduation, or be forced to pay the money back.

The amendment — which was not part of Cuomo’s original offer of free college for middle-class students — was added at the insistence of Republicans in the state Senate


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12 Apr 2017, 11:03 am

I can't imagine this is economically feasible, lets see how long it lasts. Cuomo comes off as a creep by the way, not to be trusted one bit.



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OMG!! This is one of the most LUDICROUS things I've ever heard-of, in my LIFE----ESPECIALLY, because it's being offered to families with an income less than $100,000 ($125,000, in a couple of years)! ! Any family making that much, should be able to afford sending their kids to college----that's like, upper-middle class!! Are you (the NY governor) friggin' KIDDING me!!
100k is not very much money, especially when you consider that's the total annual income for the entire family.

Tell that to the single mother of two kids, who works three jobs / 70 hours-a-week, and still isn't clearing $40,000-a-year----THAT'S the family for which there should be a program; cuz, like I said, the poor are the ones who are gonna be footing the bill for this, through increased taxes.


The program is for her. 40,000 is less than 100,000 so she qualifies for the program.


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12 Apr 2017, 11:42 am

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Cuomo’s free tuition program comes with a major catch

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Under a provision that was added to the tuition bill at the last moment, students who get a free ride at CUNY and SUNY schools must live and work in New York state for up to four years after graduation, or be forced to pay the money back.

The amendment — which was not part of Cuomo’s original offer of free college for middle-class students — was added at the insistence of Republicans in the state Senate


If they can't get a job does that mean they have to pay the money back?


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12 Apr 2017, 6:44 pm

alex wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Cuomo’s free tuition program comes with a major catch

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Under a provision that was added to the tuition bill at the last moment, students who get a free ride at CUNY and SUNY schools must live and work in New York state for up to four years after graduation, or be forced to pay the money back.

The amendment — which was not part of Cuomo’s original offer of free college for middle-class students — was added at the insistence of Republicans in the state Senate


If they can't get a job does that mean they have to pay the money back?


Yep. And they have to take 30 credits a year also
What you need to know about NY’s free college tuition program

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The idea is dubbed “making college tuition free,” but the number of students who qualify will be limited. Further, New York’s newest higher education initiative includes some conditions in the fine print that could curb its appeal for some.

Here’s what you need to know about what Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo and lawmakers are calling the “Excelsior Scholarship,” which will provide a pathway to a tuition-free education for some students at the City University of New York and State University of New York campuses.The idea started at community colleges in other states and gained national attention in Sen. Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign.

New York becomes the largest state to offer a path to tuition-free college for some at its four-year colleges. The program also includes two-year community colleges such as Nassau Community College and Suffolk County Community College.

New York already had a financial-aid program that covered tuition for the lowest-income brackets.

Generally, if a student’s family earns $50,000 or less, his or her tuition costs can be covered entirely by the state’s long-established Tuition Assistance Program and federal Pell grants. The new “Excelsior Scholarship” instead helps families earning roughly $50,000 to $125,000 annually.

importantly, Excelsior will be what’s known as a “last dollar” program. That means a student must first apply for TAP and Pell help before applying for whatever amount remains to be covered.

The income limit is increased over several years: $100,000 in fall 2017, $110,000 in fall 2018 and $125,000 in fall 2019.

Students must earn 30 credits per year and graduate in four years.

For some, this might be the most daunting of the “strings attached” to the Excelsior Scholarship — especially when the national four-year graduation rate is running around 34 percent.

And it is tougher than TAP conditions, which mandate 12 credits per semester and can be used across five years.

Recipients must agree to live and work in New York for four years after graduation. If not, the scholarship converts to a loan – which must be repaid.

It doesn’t cover room and board, fees and books – which account for more than half of students’ costs.

SUNY tuition currently is $6,470 while a student’s total expenses run upward of $20,000. So even if he or she doesn’t pay tuition, it doesn’t mean college is free.

The state is hiking tuition for everyone else.

Cuomo and lawmakers will hike SUNY tuition $200 per year for the next three years.

Total participation likely will be less than you first think.

Cuomo has said that some 940,000 New York families are eligible to participate. But the administration has said a more realistic figure is a 22,000 bump in enrollment the first year and 32,000 by fall 2019. SUNY currently has about 440,000 full-time students.


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13 Apr 2017, 2:56 pm

College used to be a free marketplace of ideas, somewhat akin to the Greek forum or public library, where scientific practice, theory, and religion were discussed, contemporaneously -- not a market control with speech controls.

Positive things have been subsidized, for instance, the other 13 years of your schooling, water and food staples, during the Depression era, roads, and various depts. If society must provide anything for you, at all, how about a knowledge of how it actually works.

I think it's funny, the way people perceive themselves to have earned something, as by the sweat of their brow. When you are self-sufficient, I will believe that.