Has the internet gone to the trolls?

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30 Mar 2017, 4:29 pm

The Atlantic: Trolls Are Winning the Internet, Technologists Say

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But there’s a sense lately that the lows have gotten lower, that the trolls who delight in chaos are newly invigorated and perhaps taking over all of the loveliest, most altruistic spaces on the web. There’s a real battle between good and evil going on. A new report by the Pew Research Center and Elon University’s Imagining the Internet Center suggests that technologists widely agree: The bad guys are winning.
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“Very often, hate, anxiety, and anger drive participation with the platform,” said Frank Pasquale, a law professor at the University of Maryland, in the report. “Whatever behavior increases ad revenue will not only be permitted, but encouraged, excepting of course some egregious cases.”
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They learned that being in a bad mood makes a person more likely to troll, and that trolling is most frequent late at night (and least frequent in the morning). They also tracked the propensity for trolling behavior to spread. When the first comment in a thread is written by a troll—a nebulous term, but let’s go with it—then it’s twice as likely that additional trolls will chime in compared with a conversation that’s not led by a troll to start, the researchers found.



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30 Mar 2017, 9:51 pm

I think that the problem is both a lot of trolls and a lot of people actually believing crazy things, I really like this video here because it explains why that might be happening more then usual now that the internet is a thing:


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31 Mar 2017, 7:45 pm

Yep. The information superhighway can double as the ignorance superhighway, and also as the deliberate disinformation superhighway.



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31 Mar 2017, 8:08 pm

One must know how to separate the wheat from the chaff. It's not really rocket science. As for trolls, by crying and getting your panties in knots over them you give them what they came for.
To summarize: Tuffen up a little.


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31 Mar 2017, 9:46 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Yep. The information superhighway can double as the ignorance superhighway, and also as the deliberate disinformation superhighway.


Is this supposed to be something new? I've seen articles and discussions like these looking through my dad's old Usenet archives going back to the 90's.



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01 Apr 2017, 2:38 am

The trolls aren't winning the internet. They're not winning anything. They're just sad.


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02 Apr 2017, 4:18 pm

Are you using the part of the internet, where subjective information is published, or do you hold yourself to any nameable, social standards. Sometimes, that comes with a paywall. It's true.

I have spent my formative years in an uppity church, which said we were never supposed to be seen outside of a movie theater or liquor store or wearing blue jeans or work boots. (Country clubs and upscale buffets were ok.) I recognize that prejudices may have nothing productive, to offer.

But, I have never watched something constructive or inspirational, which has never turned out to be useful, later. Is that what you're looking for? Strictly?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milieu_control
I find that subversives simply do not exist, where there is milieu control, even if that is totally specious and random and called trapped in a bubble. You can create boundaries.



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04 Apr 2017, 11:36 am

Bad money drives out good

There's nothing like getting behind a paywall to limit the random trolling, so I think they have a point when they talk about ad revenue determining the policies of a lot of sites.


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04 Apr 2017, 12:13 pm

Tolling has been around since the days you could post online. It's no different than in real life when a bully would pick on you and try and provoke you into doing something you don't normally do and get you to react.


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04 Apr 2017, 12:59 pm

Anonymity makes all the difference, LG.


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06 Apr 2017, 1:19 pm

Write Letters to the Editor instead?


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07 Apr 2017, 4:15 pm

I think, if I had to write one of those books, about secrets of highly successful people, or the power of positivity, for Millennials, it would cover the subject of web trolls and would-be activists, in public (probably, burning something or "burning" you.) Active and passive nihilists have never been allowed, to overrun a dedicated space -- for instance, bank, store, boardgame, military blockade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKTPTZehzBQ

Firefox allows simple installs of apps, which block comments and domain names, selectively. Instant troll relief (well, once you know how to use it.)There are hopefully comparable features, for Windows users. Facebook allows itself to be used as a sort-of Email service, without following what someone ate for breakfast or their (typically-awkward) politics. Blogs (if you must) should allow you to censor other people, from your own view, and remove your own intellectual property, on demand. If you must blog, ask that question, in the intro (how hard is it to pick-up and leave), and never look back.

I feel that there are two compelling lines of discussion --
1. Personal standards / eyes on the prize / insular universe / bubble-trapped
2. Putting yourself out there / face the music / disarm with honesty

If I have a niche interest or personal agenda, no matter how obscure, how temporary, how obsessive, I have no problem admitting that -- to myself. If you're a (fill in the blank) nerd, own up to it . You will immediately see a world of givers and takers. That's called identity politics. It's objectifying others. Guilty as charged.

I think that an identity or sense-of-self or executive-function, starts with nameable boundaries and associations.

How unfortunate, that there should be an arms race, for your attention, particularly, when so many big shots have nothing to offer, once you do the math. How many sanity checks can you perform, before you forget some trivial plan you were making, some part of your routine, before you're unable to function or receive a valuable inspiration.



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07 Apr 2017, 4:18 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
Write Letters to the Editor instead?

Write notes to self. You be the editor. Save yourself.



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07 Apr 2017, 4:26 pm

On the other hand ...
... they may be useful idiots.

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How Social Media Trolls can Benefit Your Business
Published on February 13, 2017
They are the mean, annoying, scourges of the internet that are good for nothing but spreading hate.
Or are they?

Nobody enjoys being trolled; it is a thoroughly nasty experience. Unfortunately, we get so focused on fighting the hate that they neglect to see the opportunities trolls can bring to a business. It is actually possible to turn the hate into revenue.

Trolls are Engagement Goldmines

When troll comments start to pop up on your social media or website pages, it is easy to lose control of your emotions in order to defend your business. It is vitally important that you do not.
Instead, address the mess, be polite and above all witty and/or humorous in your replies. If you can exhibit decorum and professionalism in the face of the troll’s savagery, then you win and you stand to boost your engagement. People will perceive you as a higher authority and be more inspired to follow your brand.

It is all about standing up for your company without sinking to the level of the trolls themselves. You are better than that!

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-soci ... adi-khouri


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07 Apr 2017, 4:32 pm

A lot of us here are reporting stress conditions, panic attacks, and sleeping problems. Totally-relevant, btw. The psyche is only half of psychosomatic conditions; practice milieu control for health and long life, as well as for enlightenment, or try finding your muse in a riot.



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07 Apr 2017, 4:40 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
On the other hand ...
... they may be useful idiots.
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How Social Media Trolls can Benefit Your Business


I thought that was a smart thing to notice.

It's the same lower, lymbic reasoning, in which sex sells.

If you study some tv commercials, they are deliberately-annoying or insult the customer. Also, Flash (blockable) ads, etc, etc. I noticed a phenomenon, in which they show grotesque or suggestive images, in your peripheral vision.

I think a form of hypnosis occurs, at the moment of fight, flight, or freeze. It is at that point, when a logo or brandname is inserted, at the moment of grief, when there is no hope of a critical thought.

I think commercials are both triggers and within our personal control, to turn it on, and turn it off. If I am using someone else's cable service, that remote's got to have a "mute," ffw, etc. I hope that people take this to heart, realize that it's fatiguing. and deal with it, firmly.

It will help you be a better person.

I think, some of us thrive on a negative form of attention, and stream it, non-stop, to keep us company. That happens, in my house. You take that stimulation with you, when trying to eat, or be at rest. Who can function, like that, non-stop.