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17 Jun 2017, 7:00 pm

Sometimes, the legal definition matters most.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... -licenses/

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Oregon is now the first state to allow a third gender option on driver’s licenses. Starting July 1, people who identify as gender nonbinary—neither male nor female—can list their sex as “X” instead of “F” or “M.”

The decision, approved by the Oregon Transportation Commission on Thursday, could affect thousands of people. About 20,000 people in the state are transgender. And while there aren’t statistics to show just how many Oregonians identify as nonbinary, on a national level, more than a third of transgender people say they’re nonbinary.

Gender-nonconforming Oregonians applauded the move. “The state of Oregon sees me for who I am,” 26-year-old J Gibbons told the Guardian. “I don’t even think ‘excitement’ can capture all of my emotions about this change.” Jamie Shupe, who last year won the right in a Portland court to legally identify as nonbinary, is now counting down the days to get a correct ID at the DMV. “And then I’ll no doubt stand out front of the building, or sit in the car, and cry,” they told Reuters.

The new licenses could make them safer, too. The 2015 US Transgender Survey found that many gender-nonconforming people were verbally harassed, denied services, asked to leave venues, or even assaulted after showing an ID that didn’t list their preferred name or gender.


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17 Jun 2017, 7:51 pm

This should have a great impact on medical research as well. Currently published gender related differences only account for males and females. There are obvious differences in transgender brain anatomy.



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17 Jun 2017, 7:57 pm

This is very good news. I hope the rest of the US and the world follows this example. It will make everything easier for everyone.


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17 Jun 2017, 8:31 pm

Oregon is pretty liberal in this regard. I believe the first legally nonbinary person in the US was recognised there.

Now I hope we get a similar option on our UK IDs!


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17 Jun 2017, 9:25 pm

FBI must be progressive on gender identification, PG 39.

file:///C:/Users/Steve/Downloads/Guidelines%20for%20preparation%20of%20fingerprint%20cards-updated%209-30-2016%20(2).pdf



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18 Jun 2017, 2:34 pm

I am an outie, with all the secondary characteristics, in dominance.

When people are not polarized, Weimarized, and Balkanized, they do not identify themselves with an alphabet soup of letters, even when they do admit to unusual, sexual proclivities. They just call it what it is.

Incidentally, I failed the paper bag test, but am not like shoe polish. I find that, when people are the same complexion as me (not necessarily the same race) they use the same pejoratives as in the Deep South. (I guess, not with Bill Maher) Sensitive subject, but I'm being accurate, without embellishment.

Exhaustive labeling is not taken literally, so much as being an intellectual exercise, as in rhetoric or scholastic debate. These once-reputable, govt institutions have fallen to trolling, in my honest opinion. Nobody really calls it that, except to be cute. Most all of these people, who we are afraid to talk about, accept full accountability, but in private. That's how you can tell whether you're talking to an sjw(qiapkxyz) or the real thing.

Putting all the different tastes, and participation levels, and sexual positions, as an identifier, is like putting the N-word, with an uh-sound on the end.



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18 Jun 2017, 4:38 pm

Not that I care about the ID but I thought gender identity and sex were 2 different things? My ID says sex, confused.



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18 Jun 2017, 4:47 pm

Like with the people, who wanted to subvert marriage, by not really wanting a marriage, I think it's meant to be uncertain. They don't want you to have it your way. They want identity crises.

I am not offended, per se.

But, so far as I know, people on civil, working terms with sexual minorities, all know their assigned genders and what they like, in the common language. Genuine people do not insist on you "minding your pronouns," so long as you are generally-polite. Furries and transracial people don't really believe it and would probably be happy, just to be tolerated.

Messing with legal forms is frivolous agitprop, annoying, and probably goes against the spirit of being easy going. I think, it's meant to be spurious.



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18 Jun 2017, 5:00 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
Like with the people, who wanted to subvert marriage, by not really wanting a marriage, I think it's meant to be uncertain. They don't want you to have it your way. They want identity crises.

I am not offended, per se.

But, so far as I know, people on civil, working terms with sexual minorities, all know their assigned genders and what they like, in the common language. Genuine people do not insist on you "minding your pronouns," so long as you are generally-polite. Furries and transracial people don't really believe it and would probably be happy, just to be tolerated.


I think it's similar in regards the desire for validation and recognition from the state, I always thought that the government should get out of the business of 'licensing' marriages altogether given the history and just let it be a private contractual matter but apparently that's where it's a 'sacred institution'.



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18 Jun 2017, 5:07 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
Like with the people, who wanted to subvert marriage, by not really wanting a marriage, I think it's meant to be uncertain. They don't want you to have it your way. They want identity crises.

I am not offended, per se.

But, so far as I know, people on civil, working terms with sexual minorities, all know their assigned genders and what they like, in the common language. Genuine people do not insist on you "minding your pronouns," so long as you are generally-polite. Furries and transracial people don't really believe it and would probably be happy, just to be tolerated.


Jacoby wrote:
I think it's similar in regards the desire for validation and recognition from the state, I always thought that the government should get out of the business of 'licensing' marriages altogether given the history and just let it be a private contractual matter but apparently that's where it's a 'sacred institution'.


Totally agree. If I am too culturally-conservative, I have a problem with the state and general public recognizing me, too, and I just don't need that kind of acceptance, to go on living my life.

Libertarians, anarchists, and their lookalikes have a saying, in which licensure is the state revoking a natural, god-given right, and selling it back to you. You don't need fancy stationary and public acceptance, to deal with likeminded people, in your own safespace or co-op.

Why must I be an accessory to a sex act, or else.

I don't bother other people, when it is humanly-possible.

( :oops: My apologies for the quirky formatting. Fixed, I think.)



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18 Jun 2017, 5:17 pm

I'm very excited and am looking forward to this becoming official on July 1st! :)

However, it is not surprising that transphobic groups in Oregon are already making efforts to overturn this law. :x


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18 Jun 2017, 5:31 pm

Why not call it whatever, and keep on doing it, anyway.



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18 Jun 2017, 7:24 pm

Jacoby wrote:
I always thought that the government should get out of the business of 'licensing' marriages altogether given the history and just let it be a private contractual matter but apparently that's where it's a 'sacred institution'.

I think religious nutjobs from the monotheistic persuasion (who tend to favor conservative politics) are fearful of divine wrath that (they believe) previously befell mankind should they accept a third gender.

Of course the vast majority of conservatives simply hate anybody who doesn't conform to their "acceptable social standards" so are never going to like gays or transgender people

So it's not rocket science that when you have a conservative government they will be dominated by aforementioned ignoramuses