Two men killed while trying to stop abuse of muslim women.

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Wow, pretty intense:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40070319?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook.

This murderer, terrorist is just as bad as any Islamic extremist....should be condemned just as harshly.

I am so angry and disgusted at this.

“From reviewing the suspect’s Facebook page, it seems like he was very enthralled with the alt-right and Nazi movements.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/27/us/p ... -rant.html

He was also a hardcore Bernie Sanders supporter, go figure.

https://medium.com/@JasonTLouis/portland-attacker-jeremy-christian-was-a-bernie-supporter-e8a7938405c7

Guy was batshit with a long violent history, a real POS. Give him the death penalty.

May those two heroes who died rest in peace, may the third fully heal, and may that bigoted nutbar get lethal injection.

Wow, what if he's mentally ill----NOT that that should be used as an EXCUSE for his behavior----but, what if he just needs somebody to listen to him (to how he feels about things, and stuff), what if he's been abused or bullied all of his life, or something; what if people have always made him feel like he was less-than, or not good enough to "mix-in" with "regular" people, or something..... What other kinds of people might be feeling like this----that they're misunderstood, thought to be less-than, etc.? What if we ASDers used this incident to fight for people, like him, who might not, actually, be that far removed from us (since so many of us with an ASD, also have mental health problems, as well, like Depression, Anxiety, etc.), instead of just summarily dismissing him, with a shout of "Fry 'im!!" (or, some such)?

Don't get me wrong----I think what he did, was AWFUL; BUT, why aren't we showing the same compassion / understanding, etc., to HIM, that we're constantly trying to get others to have, for US (ASDers)?

Also, AFAIC, these continued racial-issue attacks need to wake SOMEBODY up (like, somebody with an organization, or something), to what seems to be a sign of racism being alot more deep-seated, or something, in this country, than most people realize----like, these people, that are doing all of this racist killing, seem to have been "bubbling cauldrons", for quite some time, and SOMETHING is making all of their lids blow-off, all-of-a-sudden----and SOMEBODY (like the aforementioned with an organization, or the APA, or somebody) needs to do something about it / put more effort into figuring-out what's causing it, so it can be curbed / STOPPED!!

And, please don't say "It's all Trump's fault", or something like that (that's too easy)----things he's said may have caused some of these people to finally lose it, but I get the feeling that they, like this guy, have been SEETHING, for YEARS, and President Trump didn't have anything to do, with that.

Trump coarsened the public debate, vilified people for their ancestry, and spread lies about black and muslim people. He definitely owns a share of the blame.

I just watched one of the women on CNN. She said that people got hurt because of the way she and her friend look. It sounds like she blames herself. It sounds like many on the right agree, based on the arguments for assimilation that they offer. Society can't function when everyone doesn't look and act the same, right? Have some sympathy for this violent racist?

I hope she can get counseling, more than her attacker.

What if the Manchester bomber was mentally ill? what if he was abused and bullied...and always made to feel like less? Does it change what he did? No..if this thread was a rant about how disgusting that manchester bomber was would you be criticizing me for not having enough compassion? He murdered two people who stood up to him for abusing a couple of muslim women minding their own business in the bus...regardless of what problems he may have said if I was there I would have been sticking up for those women not trying to defend him and his hate.

And of course the problems are much more deep seated than 'its trumps fault' that is to easy I will agree with you there.

As for the compassion I do think these things need to be adressed at the root, instead of just dealing with the end result....either way you're still going to have irredeemable extremist. I mean I imagine plenty of the Islamic terrorists have had a troubled childhood and/or mental health issues and suffered abuse. Just killing the ones who go on to become terrorists when they commit violence isn't a solution because why are people getting involved with islamic extremism in the first place? or any kind of extremism...that does need addressed but even so when an attack does happen attackers should be dealt with harshly.

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So? I get vilified for MY ancestry, almost every time I set foot outside my door----but, you don't see ME goin'-around killin' black people. We, Aspies, get vilified by NTs, all-the-time, but most of us don't go-around killin' NTs. The point IS, whatever keeps us from killing people, seems to be what this person is lacking----ONLY posting that he's a sicko (and I agree that he is), or something like that, is not gonna solve, anything. I feel if we put as much energy into figuring-out what makes these people do these things, as we do in fussin'-about them doing it, we might be able to prevent others, from doing it----or, at least, having fewer incidences, like this.

What if every time YOU did something to hurt an NT, somebody said they had more sympathy for the person you hurt? Now, grant it, no Aspie-driven thing we've done, is as bad as killing someone----but, IMO, the principle's the same. How many thousands and THOUSANDS of posts are on here, about people asking "Why don't / won't they even TRY to understand, us?", and they have gotten compassion / empathy, etc.----yet, we're not willing to extend that very same compassion, understanding, etc., to OTHERS? How is it we feel we even have the RIGHT to continue to ask for it, then?

I think it's disgusting the way certain media and people are tying to politically exploit this tragedy committed by a lone individual who is obviously nuts.

CC, have you ever made a comment calling for this sort of analysis of the actions of anyone non-white? I'd like to see a link.

I am on record here recently calling for criminal justice and social reform which acknowledges determinism. Take your ignorant assumptions about me on a search for evidence.

But exploiting tragedies perpetrated by lone Islamist nuts is fair game? People don't develop racist ideology on their own, and this guy apparently parroted the exact words of assorted racist supporters of DJT.

What a transparently shallow remark!

IDK based on what I see in that link I don't get the impression he was a 'hardcore bernie supporter' seems a little more like Bernie was the candidate he hated the least. I wonder if he realized Bernie was referring to all americans with his speeches...not just white people.

I do tend to extend compassion and understanding to others, but brutally murdering two people and leaving others traumatized kind of puts a damper on compassion towards that individual. I am not going to say anyone with nazi sentiments or who gets sucked into extremist views deserves no compassion whatsoever....I think a lot of people like that are misguided and maybe could learn the error of their ways yet....but if they go on to actually kill people then that has to be punished.

I mean I had a period I was considering nazi philosophy...even considered running away from home to stay with any neo-nazi that might take me in(so glad I did not, scary part is I am sure there are plenty of people that would have been willing to 'take in' confused, runaway teenage girl whilst having alteriror motives)...so I get it that people can be disturbed, mentally ill, feel like an outcast and get sort of sucked in.

The neo nazis and other extremists like islamic extremists and even gangs also know this....they target vulnerable people to sucker them in, make them feel welcome....like if they join up they'll finally have a 'family'.