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22 Jun 2017, 3:02 pm

My one and only problem with this line of discussion, is that all govt and business activities are called criminal acts, in an informal context. It is a common, anarchist line of discussion, in which taxation is theft, imprisonment is kidnapping, and war is mass murder.

Spurious, political rhetoric, not intended to be taken seriously --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WJyN3udu1I
Parental warning. Don't do what the singer says.

Either, they can do nothing right, or they can do nothing wrong. Is there a functional difference, between transferring funds, in private, or laundering them, to be intellectually-honest.

Many accusations made by the Nazi's were objectively-true. But, they were describing middle class mannerisms, in a bad light.

The leftist libels are also divisive, even when they would reserve the same privileges for themselves, but under a kinder name.



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23 Jun 2017, 11:15 am

Oopsie, I posted the wrong video :oops:



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23 Jun 2017, 1:51 pm

Bloomberg
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... at-bayrock

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During the years that Bayrock and Trump did deals together, the company was also a bridge between murky European funding and a number of projects in the U.S. to which the president once lent his name in exchange for handsome fees. Icelandic banks that dealt with Bayrock, for example, were easy marks for money launderers and foreign influence, according to interviews with government investigators, legislators, and others in Reykjavik, Brussels, Paris and London. Trump testified under oath in a 2007 deposition that Bayrock brought Russian investors to his Trump Tower office to discuss deals in Moscow, and said he was pondering investing there.

"It's ridiculous that I wouldn't be investing in Russia," Trump said in that deposition. "Russia is one of the hottest places in the world for investment."

One of Bayrock's principals was a career criminal named Felix Sater who had ties to Russian and American organized crime groups. Before linking up with the company and with Trump, he had worked as a mob informant for the U.S. government, fled to Moscow to avoid criminal charges while boasting of his KGB and Kremlin contacts there, and had gone to prison for slashing apart another man’s face with a broken cocktail glass.

In a series of interviews and a lawsuit, a former Bayrock insider, Jody Kriss, claims that he eventually departed from the firm because he became convinced that Bayrock was actually a front for money laundering.


It's a long read. Trump' s best defense looks like his habitual willful ignorance and relentless avarice.


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23 Jun 2017, 10:00 pm

He's not involved in 'money laundering'. This is silly. Is there any illegal activity that, according to those losers in the Democratic Party, he is NOT guilty of?



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23 Jun 2017, 10:37 pm

Lintar wrote:
He's not involved in 'money laundering'.


Oh yes he is.

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This is silly. Is there any illegal activity that, according to those losers in the Democratic Party, he is NOT guilty of?


Adultery?



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23 Jun 2017, 10:39 pm

Actually, he is not guilty of putting mustard on his burgers.



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23 Jun 2017, 10:44 pm

Lintar wrote:
He's not involved in 'money laundering'. This is silly. Is there any illegal activity that, according to those losers in the Democratic Party, he is NOT guilty of?


Considering the 24/7 saturation of Trump obsession everywhere, they're probably running low on material. Maybe they'll manage to get over it some eventually. As for the OP, they've made it clear they think posts like yours are made by Russian spies.



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23 Jun 2017, 11:03 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
My one and only problem with this line of discussion, is that all govt and business activities are called criminal acts, in an informal context. It is a common, anarchist line of discussion, in which taxation is theft, imprisonment is kidnapping, and war is mass murder.

Spurious, political rhetoric, not intended to be taken seriously --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WJyN3udu1I
Parental warning. Don't do what the singer says.

Either, they can do nothing right, or they can do nothing wrong. Is there a functional difference, between transferring funds, in private, or laundering them, to be intellectually-honest.

Many accusations made by the Nazi's were objectively-true. But, they were describing middle class mannerisms, in a bad light.

The leftist libels are also divisive, even when they would reserve the same privileges for themselves, but under a kinder name.


In a long distance relationship with Stefan Molyneux? "Give unto Ceaser what is his."-Jesus Christ



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23 Jun 2017, 11:05 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
My one and only problem with this line of discussion, is that all govt and business activities are called criminal acts, in an informal context. It is a common, anarchist line of discussion, in which taxation is theft, imprisonment is kidnapping, and war is mass murder.

Spurious, political rhetoric, not intended to be taken seriously --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WJyN3udu1I
Parental warning. Don't do what the singer says.

Either, they can do nothing right, or they can do nothing wrong. Is there a functional difference, between transferring funds, in private, or laundering them, to be intellectually-honest.

Many accusations made by the Nazi's were objectively-true. But, they were describing middle class mannerisms, in a bad light.

The leftist libels are also divisive, even when they would reserve the same privileges for themselves, but under a kinder name.


In a long distance relationship with Stefan Molyneux?



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24 Jun 2017, 12:02 am

friedmacguffins wrote:
Many accusations made by the Nazi[s] [sic] were objectively-true.


:lol:

And what parts of what the Nazis had to say about other groups of people were objectively true, pray tell?

This ought to be good...



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24 Jun 2017, 10:09 am

EzraS wrote:
Considering the 24/7 saturation of Trump obsession everywhere, they're probably running low on material. Maybe they'll manage to get over it some eventually.


Do you hate the First Amendment as much as Trump does?

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As for the OP, they've made it clear they think posts like yours are made by Russian spies.


Either paid Russian trolls, or people who are extremely naive. The internet is saturated with both types.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... at-bayrock

The Donald belongs in prison.



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24 Jun 2017, 10:13 am

jcCoolidgejr. wrote:
friedmacguffins wrote:
My one and only problem with this line of discussion, is that all govt and business activities are called criminal acts, in an informal context. It is a common, anarchist line of discussion, in which taxation is theft, imprisonment is kidnapping, and war is mass murder.

Spurious, political rhetoric, not intended to be taken seriously --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WJyN3udu1I
Parental warning. Don't do what the singer says.

Either, they can do nothing right, or they can do nothing wrong. Is there a functional difference, between transferring funds, in private, or laundering them, to be intellectually-honest.

Many accusations made by the Nazi's were objectively-true. But, they were describing middle class mannerisms, in a bad light.

The leftist libels are also divisive, even when they would reserve the same privileges for themselves, but under a kinder name.


In a long distance relationship with Stefan Molyneux?


Maybe it is Stefan Molyneux.



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24 Jun 2017, 10:30 am

StinkyDog wrote:
In a long distance relationship with Stefan Molyneux?

If he has Jewish family, it is possible. Regardless, I wouldn't consider it an insult.

friedmacguffins wrote:
Many accusations made by the Nazi[s] [sic] were objectively-true.

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
And what parts of what the Nazis had to say about other groups of people were objectively true, pray tell?

This ought to be good...


They sit down, to a Sabbath dinner, in nice clothes. There is some silverware, and a roast is cooking. A govt agent is prowling the neighborhood, smelling the air, and notices the Jewish house has food. He starts pounding on the door. So, the family has to hide everything and dresses down. Objectively speaking, this film had been made by the Nazis, themselves. Here is what they have said about themselves, in their own propaganda. Is the agent really breaking up some den of vice? It looks like a nice, dignified house, they are describing.

It's bad, only in the light that they have taken it from others.

Other accusations involved their investment, not in a doomsday machine. Not in moral vices, necessarily. Just that they invest is considered a form of rent seeking. Rent seeking is supposed to be wrong. They show financial preference, to their own families and social institutions, which is put in a bad light. Inheritances are made out to be seditious.

Regardless of which video was intended to be shown, leftist and rightist interests, in our time, use the same methods against eachother, up to and including internment and forced service. There are extreme examples, on both sides, as politics always tends toward logical extremes, the punchier it gets. It's just called something different, when you do it.

Trump has specifically said that he has structured his business dealings, for the maximum, legal tax advantages, and, has publicly dealt with foreign countries, whether or not we consider them to be ethical. As a matter of specious reasoning, we can say that these are all illegal acts.

It requires you not to believe in such a thing as sanctity, sanctity of society, the state, and personal privacy. If you want to be objective and abstract, so there are no such things as morals or politics or dignity, you can then drag those things through the dirt.

I can use anything. Works just like mad libs. You can turn the characters on the back of a cereal box, or Chucky Cheese, into some social justice narrative. That's all we're doing. I'm so used to it, by now, I thought the association between Trump and Nazi's was intentional, as per Godwin's Law.



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24 Jun 2017, 11:10 am

I know this is isn’t the section where people get general help with autism. Some should consider it very triggering. I think, it is something constructive, to know that people will treat you better or worse, based on racial, religious, or political affiliation . If you want to teach people what is normal and how to act normal, here’s what is usually happening – even when people don’t admit to it. People play politics, in public and in private.

Molyneaux’s socially-conservative brand of anarchism is inoffensive to me, personally. He is basically telling you to be polite and that the institution of govt itself has inherent flaws, regardless of which you side you take.



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24 Jun 2017, 2:52 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
StinkyDog wrote:
In a long distance relationship with Stefan Molyneux?

If he has Jewish family, it is possible. Regardless, I wouldn't consider it an insult.

friedmacguffins wrote:
Many accusations made by the Nazi[s] [sic] were objectively-true.

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
And what parts of what the Nazis had to say about other groups of people were objectively true, pray tell?

This ought to be good...


They sit down, to a Sabbath dinner, in nice clothes. There is some silverware, and a roast is cooking. A govt agent is prowling the neighborhood, smelling the air, and notices the Jewish house has food. He starts pounding on the door. So, the family has to hide everything and dresses down. Objectively speaking, this film had been made by the Nazis, themselves. Here is what they have said about themselves, in their own propaganda. Is the agent really breaking up some den of vice? It looks like a nice, dignified house, they are describing.

It's bad, only in the light that they have taken it from others.

Other accusations involved their investment, not in a doomsday machine. Not in moral vices, necessarily. Just that they invest is considered a form of rent seeking. Rent seeking is supposed to be wrong. They show financial preference, to their own families and social institutions, which is put in a bad light. Inheritances are made out to be seditious.

Regardless of which video was intended to be shown, leftist and rightist interests, in our time, use the same methods against eachother, up to and including internment and forced service. There are extreme examples, on both sides, as politics always tends toward logical extremes, the punchier it gets. It's just called something different, when you do it.

Trump has specifically said that he has structured his business dealings, for the maximum, legal tax advantages, and, has publicly dealt with foreign countries, whether or not we consider them to be ethical. As a matter of specious reasoning, we can say that these are all illegal acts.

It requires you not to believe in such a thing as sanctity, sanctity of society, the state, and personal privacy. If you want to be objective and abstract, so there are no such things as morals or politics or dignity, you can then drag those things through the dirt.

I can use anything. Works just like mad libs. You can turn the characters on the back of a cereal box, or Chucky Cheese, into some social justice narrative. That's all we're doing. I'm so used to it, by now, I thought the association between Trump and Nazi's was intentional, as per Godwin's Law.


This was just as clear and concise as I expected it to be. :lol: