Jeremy Corbyn solidarity treehouse (and general UK politics)

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Almajo88
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04 Jul 2016, 6:17 pm

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Any other Brits both interested in politics and enthralled by the current Labour Party crisis?

How about the Tory leadership contest? The Brexit debate?

The Brexit vote has exposed deep divisions in our politics and wider society. Not only was the debate marred by a racist narrative, and followed by a tragic increase in racial abuse - the worst immediate effect of the referendum - but the result has also led to liberals who buy into the same simplistic narrative denigrating leave voters and defending the EU without criticism. Some are even asking for the result to be voided.

I think that Jeremy was the only present remain campaigner who rejected this facile narrative in favour of a balanced approach, highlighting the issues that the EU has but also pointing out that leaving won't wish it away, that we would be in a better position to change things from inside.

Labour voters were largely behind the remain vote, as were young voters. For the record, I also voted remain, although under no illusions that the EU is a progressive or democratic institution. The most powerful EU institutions are those most abstracted from direct democracy. Not only has economic policy been forced on member states, but we also leave African countries in poverty due to the EU's import tariffs on processed and manufactured goods disincentivising industry growth. Their TTIP negotiations, and the secrecy surrounding them, are also shameful.

Jeremy has been subject to a coup in the Parliamentary Labour Party, nominally due to the EU referendum vote. This seems implausible, to be honest; his visibility towards the vote was the highest of any Labour remain figure, and the results were generally in his favour. Those MPs have been maneuvering against him since the beginning.

There have been suggestions that this is an attempt to remove him before the Chilcot report is released. Jeremy has always been critical of the Iraq War and Blair's promotion of it, and he would almost certainly call for Blair to face trial for war crimes. Blair has a lot of money and it wouldn't surprise me if he was throwing his weight, just as several big Labour Party donors have been moving their money from the Party and towards Jeremy's opposition.

Regardless of all speculating, the Labour Party membership voted overwhelming for Jeremy as leader, with 59.5% of first preference votes. They voted for his socialist policies and distance from the establishment. Attempts to remove an elected leader by "moderates" reveal their disdain for the membership, democracy and genuine plurality in politics. Maneuvering by the Blairite faction and their coordinated attacks - conducted as a controlled drip for maximum exposure - reveals the cynicism of the establishment machine.

This is an issue for autistic people, too. We have a lower life expectancy, in general. The politics of reducing the state, reducing costs, means homogenising education and reducing services for adults with autism. Although many of us are talented, our particular requirements for the state tend to be greater, in terms of education and support. Charities are left to do essential support, often quite poorly due to a lack of oversight, and I have personal experience of this. The education system is already biased towards neurotypicals. These policies are an attack on us, personally.

PS. if anybody wants to agree, disagree, or generally talk politics to me then feel free to PM if you don't feel like posting here~



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04 Jul 2016, 7:11 pm

Agree, wholeheartedly, though I left the UK a few years ago. Corbyn seems to be of that rarest breed in politics... A decent human being.
That alone is far too dangerous a trait to allow him to keep going.

It makes me laugh in despair to see the noisiest of the brexiters step down, one after the other.


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04 Jul 2016, 7:32 pm

Corbyn has been leader for 9 months, Labour made very slight gains in the 2016 local election and has gained about 2% on the Conservatives. The Labour party MP's are just trying to oust the more liberal Corbyn even if it means trashing the party.



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02 Aug 2017, 5:07 pm

Almajo88 wrote:
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Any Brits both interested in politics and enthralled by the current Labour Party crisis?

The Brexit debate?

The Brexit vote has exposed deep divisions in our politics and wider society. Not only was the debate marred by a racist narrative, and followed by a tragic increase in racial abuse - the worst immediate effect of the referendum- Some are even asking for the result to be voided.

For the record, I also voted remain, although under no illusions that the EU is a progressive or democratic institution. The most powerful EU institutions are those most abstracted from direct democracy. Not only has economic policy been forced on member states, but we also leave African countries in poverty due to the EU's import tariffs on processed and manufactured goods disincentivising industry growth. Their TTIP negotiations, and the secrecy surrounding them, are also shameful.

Jeremy has been subject to a coup in the Parliamentary Labour Party, nominally due to the EU referendum vote. This seems implausible, to be honest; his visibility towards the vote was the highest of any Labour remain figure, and the results were generally in his favour.
Jeremy has always been critical of the Iraq War and Blair's promotion of it, and he would almost certainly call for Blair to face trial for war crimes. Blair has a lot of money and it wouldn't surprise me if he was throwing his weight.

This is an issue for autistic people, too. We have a lower life expectancy, in general. The politics of reducing the state, reducing costs, means homogenising education and reducing services for adults with autism. Although many of us are talented, our particular requirements for the state tend to be greater, in terms of education and support. Charities are left to do essential support, often quite poorly due to a lack of oversight, and I have personal experience of this. The education system is already biased towards neurotypicals. These policies are an attack on us, personally.

PS. if anybody wants to agree, disagree, or generally talk politics to me then feel free to PM if you don't feel like posting here~


I'm not the one who feels bitter, so why shouldn't all leavers be posting here? Only remain feel hard done by in the absence of what they call democratic failure and uncivil uprising, when we've all seen the riots take place in London throughout the General Election and right after May got in. I would almost call the slurs of the whole campaign by Labour treason. Ed Milliband failed and many leaders after Churchill and Gordon Brown I would state.
Most m.ps failed to turn up on election day, those such as Diane Abbot, and many other typecasts.
The Torries did fail to reach a final parliamentary majority, but the outcome was as clear as day, and it stands to good reason why.
Theresa May has been home office secretary for twenty or so years, and has glowing past academic achievements in political fields, as well as taking responsibility over her cabinet without creating too many slurs and point scoring tittle tattle most often driven down by tireless pensioners from the far left.
Most brexit voters had leave in mind, to get out of a demoralising system, it has nothing to do with not giving enough funds to Africa, which we have by far done the most given all the Comic Reliefs as well as government taxes through the public national insurance.
Why would all the problems that everyone has to deal with on an everyday tragic basis turn this problem against another individual who is just left to fill the shoes of a contempted predecessor, answerable to both Cameron and Osbourne and even Blair who won't shut up on the past.
It's like saying the war in Iraq should never have started and we all know who started it and why but more importantly, why did we ever go in to file support for an unknown cause, which now is getting blown up into atoms by Trump and Putin and their little golem twin, K J Un? Also, Corbyn can talk about Blair should face trial for publishing details on Chilcott, when he can't even stand trial himself on 'errors' he's consistently made up until now.
Sly hypocrites who are from money backgrounds, tend to throw the imaginary pen and wave about, when they have money sitting in their bank accounts, and Corbyn and no doubt many of his 'followers' are just like him. Rolling in it. Only this time, they'll be rolling in the deep scandals that remainers who couldn't find their way finally found, in the holy nemesis, in which they will squeal and bow to,grinding the ax that has come down though on all those students heads where they least expected.
Where is the next lot of illusionary money coming from? Garden tax? Corporate tax? Home Tax? Income Tax? Hell, why don't we just tax our own freedom?

Go home Corbynites, put your feet up and stare at your Gogglebox with tuts and groans and shame of the generation that has only just come to realise that foodbanks do exist beyond equal measure in our country, whilst the water supply in Kenya is looking healthier than the food left out for the, 'Orphans of todays modern World.' Our modern, crazy has been, world.



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03 Aug 2017, 1:55 am

^ It's difficult to follow what you're saying in some parts of this post, and you could certainly do with checking your facts more closely: Theresa May for example wasn't Home Secretary for twenty years, in fact she first became a Cabinet Minister in 2010. It's not easy to see her holding things together for the rest of this Parliament - both Thatcher and Major failed to deal effectively with the dissensions on Europe within the party, and Cameron resigned on this issue too.

I don't think May is of the same calibre as any of those former PMs (even Major), and they all had parliamentary majorities as well, 100+ in Thatcher's case.



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03 Aug 2017, 10:38 am

Must be hard for May to know what day of the week it is what with her never ending run of u-turns.



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04 Aug 2017, 6:46 pm

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Just to finish off the last bit of what I was saying and attempting to quote what use of language someone else has picked up on, yes she may not have been in home office for a decade spanning twenty years, but she's been the longest serving home secretary in all that regard.
She may have cut back the police force and not done enough for tuition fees, but at least she's not breaking any promises she hasn't made., and she has rectified that since being PM, and after all the vicious terror attacks on the home nation. Fair enough in everyone's eyes, she is a remainer, not a champion of causes. Some are far more lost than others, there is no such thing as a 'great leader'. There are only rules, guidelines and common principles.
Some people should try being a female P.M for a day. She's suffered personal losses too and yet none of that has engulfed her nor swallow her pride. I don't know how she copes without all the crucial moral support a leader needs.
At least, she has frozen benefits still, and in May 2010, she blocked the extradition of Gary Mckinnon back to the states.
Quote ''He has Asperger's syndrome, and suffers from depressive illness. Mr McKinnon's extradition would give rise to such a high risk of him ending his life that a decision to extradite would be incompatible with Mr McKinnon's human rights."

So, to say 'not much is being done', and where's the human rights for vulnerable people, 'she's like Thatcher', I still can't see it. Pretty strange comparison really. What do you think the American courts would have done? for all the 'embarrassment' that was caused by one hacked off ill individual.
I'm sure she'll make sure the money gets re-invested properly back into the economy once it recirculates around better charitable cause, like homelessness, council accomodation, the use of all safe tower block and accommodation fireproof cladding, better friendly schemes that involve everyone, and most importantly cutting off bad ties and investments with the E.U.. whilst her allies stop dithering over which side their bread should be buttered every morning.

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''I think the economic arguments are clear. I think being part of a 500-million trading bloc is significant for us. I think, as I was saying to you a little earlier, that one of the issues is that a lot of people will invest here in the UK because it is the UK in Europe. If we were not in Europe, I think there would be firms and companies who would be looking to say, do they need to develop a mainland Europe presence rather than a UK presence? So I think there are definite benefits for us in economic terms''