Trump Will End DACA With A Delay Of Six Months

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05 Sep 2017, 3:33 pm

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/03/trump-dreamers-immigration-daca-immigrants-242301


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05 Sep 2017, 10:27 pm

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Trump just made a ton of new enemies

See? This is why so many people think that Trump will be impeached. The scenario just keeps becoming more realistic every single day.

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Nope. Trump's approval rating fell below 50% a long time ago. Average Americans hate Trump. That ain't fake news.


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05 Sep 2017, 10:34 pm

In the face of a hurricane natural disaster and a large amount of fires causing a lot of smoke throughout various parts of north america...and all trump can worry about is 'getting them derm immergints out'.

That aside the people who benefited from DACA are people brought here as children...they don't know anything about living in mexico, and the Trump administration just wants to deport tons of young people who grew up in the U.S to what is to them is essentially an unfamiliar country. That is messed up to say the least.


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06 Sep 2017, 1:33 am

I'll bet Canada doesn't have anything comparable to DACA. Or Mexico either. Or anyone else for that matter

Undocumented people can always apply for citizenship can't they? I mean here in the US. I'm sure they wouldn't have a prayer of getting citizenship in Canada.



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06 Sep 2017, 12:01 pm

EzraS wrote:
I'll bet Canada doesn't have anything comparable to DACA. Or Mexico either. Or anyone else for that matter

Undocumented people can always apply for citizenship can't they? I mean here in the US. I'm sure they wouldn't have a prayer of getting citizenship in Canada.

EXACTLY!!

I don't know alot about the naturalization process----but, IIRC, from what I've heard / read..... Let's say a kid is 20-years-old----and, let's say he was brought here, by his parents, when he was 5-years-old----that's PLENTY of time (15 years), for, at least, ONE parent to have become a naturalized citizen, sponsor the kid so he can get his Green Card (they have to be 18), and then for the kid to actually obtain a Green Card.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think it would totally SUCK, if *I* were forced to leave a place I had been living, for 15 years----BUT, I was always taught to "play by the rules"; AND, "if you do it right, the FIRST time.....".





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06 Sep 2017, 12:16 pm

EzraS wrote:
I'll bet Canada doesn't have anything comparable to DACA. Or Mexico either. Or anyone else for that matter

Undocumented people can always apply for citizenship can't they? I mean here in the US. I'm sure they wouldn't have a prayer of getting citizenship in Canada.


So that makes it ok to send swaths of young people who know nothing about mexico or living there back because their parents brought them over when they were like 6? Because Canada and Mexico don't have a DACA? Those countries also don't have a significant population of undocumented immigrants brought here around the age of 6 who grew up there and know it as their home that is an issue in the U.S. It would be a good idea to provide some kind of path to citizenship they can access...without DACA they can just be deported if they haven't already been granted citizenship.

I don't see how anyone can defend Trump on this.


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06 Sep 2017, 12:24 pm

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EzraS wrote:
I'll bet Canada doesn't have anything comparable to DACA. Or Mexico either. Or anyone else for that matter

Undocumented people can always apply for citizenship can't they? I mean here in the US. I'm sure they wouldn't have a prayer of getting citizenship in Canada.

EXACTLY!!

I don't know alot about the naturalization process----but, IIRC, from what I've heard / read..... Let's say a kid is 20-years-old----and, let's say he was brought here, by his parents, when he was 5-years-old----that's PLENTY of time (15 years), for, at least, ONE parent to have become a naturalized citizen, sponsor the kid so he can get his Green Card (they have to be 18), and then for the kid to actually obtain a Green Card.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think it would totally SUCK, if *I* were forced to leave a place I had been living, for 15 years----BUT, I was always taught to "play by the rules"; AND, "if you do it right, the FIRST time.....".


Alright well up until now due to Obama the rules said they could stay, hence DACA...the rules where not 'you've been here 15 years, didn't become a citizen, grew up here...well tough you didn't play by the rules when you were 6 so DEPORTED!' It is Trump who wants to change the rules taking away their opportunity to stay and potentially gain actual citizenship, and ruin the lives of these young people. And for what?


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06 Sep 2017, 8:34 pm

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06 Sep 2017, 9:47 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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I'll bet Canada doesn't have anything comparable to DACA. Or Mexico either. Or anyone else for that matter

Undocumented people can always apply for citizenship can't they? I mean here in the US. I'm sure they wouldn't have a prayer of getting citizenship in Canada.


So that makes it ok to send swaths of young people who know nothing about mexico or living there back because their parents brought them over when they were like 6? Because Canada and Mexico don't have a DACA? Those countries also don't have a significant population of undocumented immigrants brought here around the age of 6 who grew up there and know it as their home that is an issue in the U.S. It would be a good idea to provide some kind of path to citizenship they can access...without DACA they can just be deported if they haven't already been granted citizenship.

I don't see how anyone can defend Trump on this.


There are a lot of people beside Trump who don't support DACA (who aren't alt-right nazis). What about parents getting deported and the kid being left in the US alone? That's doesn't seem like an ideal situation either.

Somehow a lot of this sort of thing seems to be a battle by illegals to not have to gain citizenship. And legal citizens wanting to support that initiative.

If someone doesn't want to be deported, then they or their parents can do something about that.

My relatives from the Dominican Republic didn't screw around with that. They gained citizenship asap. Their kids were full fledged US citizens when they were born. They are pretty outspoken when it comes to being against illegal immigrants and wanting tougher immigration laws.



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06 Sep 2017, 11:38 pm

There is really no disadvantage to DACA. People who participate in the program must have completed a degree program or be going to school and they are not allowed to have a criminal record. If Trump supporters are so worried about losing their jobs then they just need to work harder. Maybe they could go to school and get an education too.



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07 Sep 2017, 2:27 am

America can be very myopic. We are not uniquely horrible in this regard.

Woman with intellectual disabilities faces deportation after mother's visa rejection

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A 50-year-old woman with severe intellectual disabilities faces possible deportation next month and the prospect of spending the rest of her life in an Indian institution, after her mother's visa application was rejected.

In 2012, Florence Allen, 80, moved from India to Melbourne with her daughter Sheryil, who has autism.

The pair migrated soon after Mrs Allen's husband died, so her family could help care for Sheryil.

Mrs Allen qualifies for an Aged Parent visa, but her application has been rejected because she has a dependent child with a disability.

Florence and Sheryil Allen have been told they must now leave Australia by October 3.


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07 Sep 2017, 8:33 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
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I don't know alot about the naturalization process----but, IIRC, from what I've heard / read..... Let's say a kid is 20-years-old----and, let's say he was brought here, by his parents, when he was 5-years-old----that's PLENTY of time (15 years), for, at least, ONE parent to have become a naturalized citizen, sponsor the kid so he can get his Green Card (they have to be 18), and then for the kid to actually obtain a Green Card.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think it would totally SUCK, if *I* were forced to leave a place I had been living, for 15 years----BUT, I was always taught to "play by the rules"; AND, "if you do it right, the FIRST time.....".

Alright well up until now due to Obama the rules said they could stay, hence DACA...the rules where not 'you've been here 15 years, didn't become a citizen, grew up here...well tough you didn't play by the rules when you were 6 so DEPORTED!' It is Trump who wants to change the rules taking away their opportunity to stay and potentially gain actual citizenship, and ruin the lives of these young people. And for what?

I was knocking the PARENTS----NOT the KID!! I didn't say a six-year-old should "play by the rules", in this regard!!

Also, how would it "ruin" their lives, unless they ALLOW it to? If I (as well as others, on here) stayed down, every time life knocked me down, I'd be in an insane asylum, or prison, by now----or, six-feet-under----and, generally speaking, most foreigners in this country, whom I've met in person, have WAAAAAY more fortitude, than some Americans!!





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07 Sep 2017, 8:57 am

Basically, an undocumented person CANNOT just "apply for citizenship." This person would have to get a "green card" first. And that means, in most cases, marrying an American citizen.

It would have been nice if the parents would have been more diligent in seeking out citizenship.

But I say: give those kids a break. Provide them a path for citizenship. Don't allow them to live on the government's dime, though.