The US is becoming like the Soviet Union

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23 Nov 2017, 10:56 pm

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Yes. Have you ever watched RT? Cause you aren't informed enough to have an opinion on this subject if you haven't watched hours of it and all its different shows.

The reason the US has a problem with Russia is because they ruined their plans in Syria.

RT? Is that supposed to be Russian television? Which is state controlled, as I recollect.
No, Americans dislike Russia because Putin has been trying to undermine our influence everywhere, whether it's to get us out of international treaties, or to leave NATO.
And I hardly think Putin's intentions in Syria are all that altruistic. He doesn't give a damn about Syrian refugees. Just how many refugees has Russia taken in from Syria?

Russia Today. Has a lot of Americans on there. State owned, not state controlled. They have presenters on there critical of Russia at times. There is zero evidence for that. Despite all Trump's rhetoric about leaving NATO, he's done nothing of the sort. He wants other countries to pay their way. Nothing to do with Russia. And NATO was meant to be about the Cold War which ended nearly 30 years ago. He didn't want there to be Syrian refugees! Who wants refugees? He's defeated Al Qaeda and ISIS.

Without refugees, there wouldn't be an America. Today's Syrian refugees will be tomorrow's Americans.
There is a need for NATO, especially if and when Putin decides to move tanks into former Soviet republics and satellites.

So you want people to be bombed out if their country's? Without a genocide there wouldn't be a US. Nope, they can live in their home country of Syria. The only people moving troops etc is NATO, around the Russian border.

When the Hell did I say I wanted people bombed out of their homes? Being bombed out of their homes is just a reality that can't be ignored. Those refugees who flee to my country, if they choose to stay, will become the next generation of Americans. Nobody wants anyone to lose their homes. But those who had in the past had ended up in America, where they became part of the great melting pot.

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24 Nov 2017, 6:12 pm

You seemed to imply that refugees were a positive thing. We need to stop the reasons for people fleeing their countries.

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24 Nov 2017, 9:10 pm

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You seemed to imply that refugees were a positive thing. We need to stop the reasons for people fleeing their countries.

Being a refugee is never a great thing, but what is is that there are countries like mine that were built by such people, as we are not built on tribe or religion, but an idea - - despite what nativists who voted for Trump believe.
Yes, I agree, we need to stop the causes of the refugee crisis. Other countries need to stop emphasizing tribe and religion for higher ideals, as I see it.

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27 Nov 2017, 3:25 pm

Most of the people flooding Europe aren't from Syria and they aren't refugees.

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27 Nov 2017, 5:01 pm

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Most of the people flooding Europe aren't from Syria and they aren't refugees.

Many who flooded into America weren't refugees, either. They in time became American.

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27 Nov 2017, 6:34 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

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Most of the people flooding Europe aren't from Syria and they aren't refugees.

Many who flooded into America weren't refugees, either. They in time became American.

So what? There's still massive divides in the US. Mass immigration just makes things worse.

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27 Nov 2017, 10:35 pm

JohnPowell wrote:

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Most of the people flooding Europe aren't from Syria and they aren't refugees.

Many who flooded into America weren't refugees, either. They in time became American.

So what? There's still massive divides in the US. Mass immigration just makes things worse.

According to people who voted for Trump.

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28 Nov 2017, 7:14 pm

JohnPowell wrote:

You seemed to imply that refugees were a positive thing. We need to stop the reasons for people fleeing their countries.

You also seem to imply a lot of things and then say my country isn't doing enough or good for migrants. The bill is going up and up, so unless you support the Brexit bill and stand up to the E.U, you may soon end up being a migrant too.

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28 Nov 2017, 7:43 pm

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I'm not the one taking sides, I'm just being logical and reasonable. I look at the evidence and the claims from both sides. I showed that the US is hardly a 'free' country if it's going to try and take down media that reports alternative views and facts it doesn't like. So you tried to turn it on me because you're losing the argument.

Please explain how requiring RT to register as a foreign agent takes down the media?

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29 Nov 2017, 5:21 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Most of the people flooding Europe aren't from Syria and they aren't refugees.

Many who flooded into America weren't refugees, either. They in time became American.

So what? There's still massive divides in the US. Mass immigration just makes things worse.

According to people who voted for Trump.

And according to anyone who's socially conservative and people who are logical.

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29 Nov 2017, 5:22 pm

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You seemed to imply that refugees were a positive thing. We need to stop the reasons for people fleeing their countries.

What's your country? Where did I say that? I'm against most immigration. I voted to leave the EU. What are you talking about?

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29 Nov 2017, 5:24 pm

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Please explain how requiring RT to register as a foreign agent takes down the media?

It's trying to discredit the station so that people won't take it seriously, or just won't watch it. They have also made sure that stories from RT are lower down on Google searches. Let people make their own mind's up.

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29 Nov 2017, 5:52 pm

JohnPowell wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

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Most of the people flooding Europe aren't from Syria and they aren't refugees.

Many who flooded into America weren't refugees, either. They in time became American.

So what? There's still massive divides in the US. Mass immigration just makes things worse.

According to people who voted for Trump.

And according to anyone who's socially conservative and people who are logical.

From my experience, social conservatism is based more on fear and prejudice than on logic.

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30 Nov 2017, 2:52 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Most of the people flooding Europe aren't from Syria and they aren't refugees.

Many who flooded into America weren't refugees, either. They in time became American.

So what? There's still massive divides in the US. Mass immigration just makes things worse.

According to people who voted for Trump.

And according to anyone who's socially conservative and people who are logical.
What's your country? Where did I say that? I'm against most immigration. I voted to leave the EU.

From my experience, social conservatism is based more on fear and prejudice than on logic.

As someone who likes to adapt their country to suit the argument, I'd say fear plays a strong part in all of this.
I can't tell if this level of fear derives from moral socialist uprisings in governments, or democracy playing down the law.
From my voting experience, and time spent in the real world, Id say it's logic that capitalises on fear, not the other way around. Trump is using his own logic to thaw out North Korea by sidling on with Putin and try and put an end to ISIS and bring an end to the rampage that is taking over most parliamentary and non- democrat, republican forces.

If, by looking to social media and going about tweets in what is a Britain First! rally from the disgraced BNP nationalist party of M.PS, both ex and current, then he is just trying to find his suitors, bide his time, before he seizes his prey, and sniff out the opposition.
I'm against most republican ideology, especially Trumps, but in this new age of things, I'd say that toning down his image is not an option! :lol:

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30 Nov 2017, 5:06 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Most of the people flooding Europe aren't from Syria and they aren't refugees.

Many who flooded into America weren't refugees, either. They in time became American.

So what? There's still massive divides in the US. Mass immigration just makes things worse.

According to people who voted for Trump.

And according to anyone who's socially conservative and people who are logical.

From my experience, social conservatism is based more on fear and prejudice than on logic.

Then you haven't really experienced it properly. It comes more from learning from mistakes and not being naive.

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30 Nov 2017, 5:59 pm

So how is the US becoming like the Soviet Union?

Are we opening Gulags in the far north to send people for political reasons?

Have we centralized planning to determine what goods and how many of those goods we will produce?

Are we building walls to keep people from escaping?

Is the government nationalizing all the businesses?

How are we becoming like the Soviet Union?

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