It’s fine to discriminate against bigots and bullies

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11 Jan 2018, 9:25 am

I like this in the subhead: "intolerance on the basis of background is different to not accepting bad behaviour".

In a nutshell. 100%.


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11 Jan 2018, 9:45 am

I agree. I judge people based on their behavior and opinions.


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11 Jan 2018, 6:08 pm

Given our world is run by bigots and bullies who masquerade as leaders this seems a tad ambitious



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11 Jan 2018, 6:11 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Given our world is run by bigots and bullies who masquerade as leaders this seems a tad ambitious


Gotta start somewhere.



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11 Jan 2018, 6:54 pm

Here's what I'm worried about: If "hate speech" is censored, will may forget why we believe in racial equality. That's one of my main problems with modern racial politics. Most of us have totally forgotten why racism is wrong. The alt-right is taking advantage of this. Young people often get sucked into Nazism when they don't know the logic behind racial egalitarianism.

The concept of racial egalitarianism has scientific backing, but most people have never heard of those scientific studies. That's why race has become a touchy subject that people usually avoid. Lots of people avoid racism simply because of the social stigma against overt racism. That's like building a house on a swamp. Houses, like worldviews, must have a strong foundation or else they will not survive. We need to know how to argue with "scientific racism" or else it will find a way around the hate speech laws using dog whistles.

A while ago, I was talking to my older stepbrother about the concept of racial egalitarianism. I said "All humans belong to the same species." He said "Even those African pygmies?" I don't think that he was being hateful. He was just genuinely curious. Does racism always come from hate? Sometimes it comes from a lack of scientific facts.


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11 Jan 2018, 7:04 pm

If a person's bullying behavior and bigotry makes it too difficult for the work place or social group to function, then getting rid of that person is not only justifiable, but can be necessary.
Funny that conservatives should fly to the defense of the jackhole used as an example in the article when they, in the same breath, defend business' right to fire any employee they want.


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11 Jan 2018, 7:46 pm

Free speech, anyone?

In the United States, at least, the U.S. Supreme Court matter of National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, 432 U.S. 43 (1977) shows that while the Court protected procedural rights, it appears to have "split the baby" on speech rights of the appellants (the ACLU defended the Nazis and by doing so, expanded what free-speech expressions mean), but didn't prohibit such speech, falling short of doing so. Still, it remains largely a looming influence in First Amendment controversies.

Of course, private-property owners like businesses can and should restrict speech rights as needed to create the work enironment the businesses choose to enjoy.


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11 Jan 2018, 8:59 pm

Unlike discrimination by gender or skin color, discrimination against bigots and bullies can and will be abused since a person can be wrongly labeled as a bully or a bigot.
Google workplace mobbing for starters


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11 Jan 2018, 9:08 pm

Raptor wrote:
Unlike discrimination by gender or skin color, discrimination against bigots and bullies can and will be abused since a person can be wrongly labeled as a bully or a bigot.
Google workplace mobbing for starters

It can happen with race too-- like what you guys did to Obama, who's white btw. :wink:



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11 Jan 2018, 9:55 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Unlike discrimination by gender or skin color, discrimination against bigots and bullies can and will be abused since a person can be wrongly labeled as a bully or a bigot.
Google workplace mobbing for starters

It can happen with race too-- like what you guys did to Obama, who's white btw. :wink:

Yes of course, he's really a WASP.
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11 Jan 2018, 10:00 pm

:o

Raptor wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Unlike discrimination by gender or skin color, discrimination against bigots and bullies can and will be abused since a person can be wrongly labeled as a bully or a bigot.
Google workplace mobbing for starters

It can happen with race too-- like what you guys did to Obama, who's white btw. :wink:

Yes of course, he's really a WASP.
:roll:

And by denying his whiteness you have just proven my point. TY.



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11 Jan 2018, 10:02 pm

In a nutshell it seems the basic concept of fighting fire with fire. Hate against hate.

A problem of course is to what lengths it might go to and who all gets put under the shadow of a hate umbrella that keeps getting larger.



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11 Jan 2018, 10:14 pm

EzraS wrote:
In a nutshell it seems the basic concept of fighting fire with fire. Hate against hate.

A problem of course is to what lengths it might go to and who all gets put under the shadow of a hate umbrella that keeps getting larger.


But are bigots and bullies who harass other employees in the workplace or students in school to be tolerated? Protecting the rights of those being harassed is the responsibility of whoever is in charge.


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11 Jan 2018, 10:18 pm

Raptor wrote:
Unlike discrimination by gender or skin color, discrimination against bigots and bullies can and will be abused since a person can be wrongly labeled as a bully or a bigot.
Google workplace mobbing for starters


What should we do about people who are definitely bigots like Alex Linder and Malik Zulu Shabazz?

I've noticed that some people nowadays have an obsession with fake racism. I totally agree that some of the racism accusations that get thrown around nowadays are frivolous, but we still need to remember that there are some people who literally promote genocide without an ounce of ambiguity.


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11 Jan 2018, 11:22 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Does racism always come from hate? Sometimes it comes from a lack of scientific facts.

As a child I used to hear the statement "support your race". Our primary school teacher told us children in the early 1970s that marrying non-white people would mean we would have to leave Australia. Even as a kid I thought it was pretty dumb but a number of kids were frightened and confused about being kicked out of Australia....

So these same adults (even when faced with science) are probably too far gone to be helped...brain washed