Study - ASD children have other conditions 95% of time

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Autism Symptoms Rarely Isolated, CDC Researchers Say

Don't make me laugh. The heterogeneity of autism has been known for a long time: multiple genetic mutations can lead to autism, there is no one single loci. As someone with theoretical physics background, to me, it can't be more clear that autism is a meso-scale, renormalization phenemenon inside the human brain. I have been saying that for years. But I just see that people in the medical and psychological fields as totally clueless.


The researchers get confused themselves. They confuse presence of diverse co-morbids with diverse behavioral markers. Diagnosis of autism has never been a major issue. Refusal to accept reality is the main issue (from parents, and consequentially, from clinical psychologists).

It's a worthless article.

(1) Autism is a meso-scale renormalization inside human brain. As everything with renormalization, the detailed single-neuron or sub-neuron origin is largely irrelevant. The gene-level research of autism is misguided. In renormalization, there is characteristic called "universality": different microscopic mechanisms can all lead to the same macroscopic behavior. More simply said: in autistic people, the unit of interaction inside the brain is no longer a single neuron, but a cluster of neurons. A bit like how the matter in our universe are coalesced into stars and galexies, or how dewdrops form on leaves in a cold day's morning. A meso-scale issue needs a meso-scale solution.

(2) There is heterogeneity in the origin of autism. There is also another heterogeneity in autism's manifestations. These researchers mix up the two things. This second heterogeneity comes from chaos theory: you can't predict where you will find stars or galaxies formed in the universe, or the precise location of dewdrops on a leaf. So different autistic people will have different stimming behaviors, they will have different sensory issues, etc. All that being said, there is universality, after all. The list of conditions for diagnosis of autism are clear enough. There are two components into the diagnosis of autism, see e.g. https://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autism/diagnosis/dsm-5-diagnostic-criteria

A. Persistent deficits in social communication and social interaction across multiple contexts, as manifested by the following, currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not exhaustive, see text): ...

B. Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, or activities, as manifested by at least two of the following, currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not exhaustive; see text): ...

Personally I would get rid of the items in (A). Social skills are not a good indicator of autism. But otherwise the set of conditions in (B) helps to diagnose autism with good accuracy. The presence of this set of concise conditions mean autism does have universal features.

That is, one must clearly distinguish three scales in the function of brains: micro-scale, meso-scale, and macro-scale. At micro-scale and macro-scale level, autism exhibits heterogeneity. However, at meso-scale, autism exhibits universality.

(3) Finally, autism has been with us for a while: anywhere between 50,000 (for the BAP: broad autism phenotype) to 10,000 (clinical level of autism) years, in my estimate. The co-morbids not not bugs: they are features. People really need to get their heads straight on re-thinking about autsim. Mother Nature does not make mistakes at the level of 5% or 2% of the whole population. If autism is there (with all its co-morbids), it's because autism serves a purpose, in the survival of human clans. (Yeap, the biggest enemies of humans are actually... other humans).

http://www.eikonabridge.com/AMoRe.pdf
http://www.eikonabridge.com/Tomatoes.pdf

Mother Nature's message to us is not complicated. It's just that no one is listening, and we end up making a big mess out of ourselves.

See, other people get confused about all these things, I don't. There is a reason why my children keep plowing forward, while other children are stuck behind (for life... for many).

I'm confused. Hasn't this been common knowledge for a very long time? Or was it only a theory?

Boy are they going to be surprised when they discover that children with autism grow up to become adults with autism!


Autism: a disease that must be controlled and prevented

People want to see the difficulties of living as an autustic as purely autism caused or as a result of society/ableism. Most researchers fall under the it is a disease that needs to be cured or if that is not possible find a treatment that is as cure like as possible. Neurodiversity advocates when they can’t blame society will blame co morbids in order to keep up the it is not the autism it is all societies fault mantra.

The idea that it may be a lot of both is beyond most people. Until people accept this possiblity the division and rancor amoung autistics, thier carers, researchers and policy makers will continue. Treatments will remain only partially effective at best and often harmful quackery. I am not optimistic this is going to change soon because I see it as reflective of this era’s zero sum game if you do not agree with me 100 percent you are both evil and an existential threat mentality.

Could it not also be that people with autism alone are less likely to be diagnosed?

Yes! As far as I can remember, there was a South Korean study that identifed a group of people who were clearly autistic, but were functioning too well to warrant a diagnosis.

The cutoff point is precisely whether it causes you significant problems with living a normal life. By definition, happy, well functioning autistics don't get a diagnosis.

EXACTLY!! This has been my, et al.'s, sentiment for the longest time. Don't get me wrong, I want kids to be acknowledged, as well----and they're starting to acknowledge, like, 18 to 21 year-olds----but, HELLO? there's people 30, 40, 50, 60+ year-olds out here, hurting / struggling, as well. I really have to fight myself, sometimes, not to be very angry about being overlooked.

Yep, I agree with all of this, right here.

Also, the other thing that throws a monkey wrench in stuff, is that we're all just a great big ball of twisted dichotomies. This has always been part of my "campaign", so-to-speak, in getting people to understand us----that they need to understand, somehow, that "stupid" and "smart" can reside in the same brain / body; like, some of us may be able to do complex math in our head, but we can't balance our checkbook.

In these researchers' defense, though, I must say that I can totally understand one not researching the "proper" things----or, taking so long to come-up with stuff----because one doesn't know what questions to ask (further research) until they know more about a subject / issue / whatever; it's, really, sort-of, a vicious circle.

Yeah, that's a really good thought----and, I really think you've got a good point----but, I don't think I've ever heard of anybody (on here, anyway) that had ONLY autism; I don't know, maybe there are those that exist.

I had only autism as a child. The depression and anxiety came later.

Oh, that's interesting----I'm really glad you posted that----I stand corrected, then.

No gut problems? No dyspraxia, or auditory processing disorder, or executive dysfunction?

That's not the right way of looking at autism. As I have said, autism is a meso-scale renormalization issue. There is no such as thing as autism alone.

Gosh, I am the only one in the world tasked with explaining this concept. I will try with an analogy.

Imagine an orchestra, where instrumental musicians sit in chairs arranged in concentric circles. A few chairs are at the innermost circle, then some more chairs in the second circular row, and then more chairs in the third row, etc.

Now, put an omni-directional microphone at the center of the orchestra. A few feet above the microphone, put a loudspeaker (facing down).

If a musician plays their instrument too loud, let's call that "abnormal."

Abnormality could come from any musician, anywhere in the orchestra.

But in addition, for the front-row musicians, if they play too loud, the loud sound will come from two places: (a) the musician's instrument, and (b) the loudspeaker, due to auto-feedback resonance mechanism between the microphone and the loudspeaker.

Autism is the loud, high-pitched sound that comes from the loudspeaker. Notice that regardless the of note or instrument played by any of the front-row musicians, once the auto-feedback resonance is triggered, the resonance always produces the same pitch: the frequency of this annoying noise is solely dictated by the distance between the microphone and the loudspeaker. That's the universality of the renormalization phenomenon: no matter how you trigger it, the end result is the same.

So autism by nature cannot exist alone. Autism is always triggered by "something else." The point is, there are many of these "something elses." There is no such a thing as the autistic gene. Autism can be caused by a large number of totally different gene mutations/expressions. There is no such a thing as "autism alone."

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The single-pitched sound may be annoying. But there is a solution to it. It's pretty much like the case of a flute. If you leave all its holes closed, a flute will play one single fixed note. However, if you open holes at different positions skillfully, a flute can play very nice music. The technique of opening and closing holes skillfully is known as "modulation" in electronic signal communication. And "modulation" is the key to solving all the issues with autism. Elementary, my dear Watson.

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They knew I was autistic before they knew about other conditions I have, because I was too little for those other conditions to be detected.

Well, I thought the mild dyspraxia was part of autism and not a separate disorder. And executive disfunction is part of ASD, and so is auditory processing disorder, I guess? I guess there were gut problems, I just didn't discover them until much later. I was always told I was just complaining too much, so I believed everybody felt like that.

I thought what they meant were emotional things like sleep and anxiety issues, etc. Also, it doesn't quite make sense to separate all these functional issues from autism itself - seems like just semantics.

See, the problem is people are thinking in the wrong direction.

Autism is a heterogenic condition. Some autistic people will be epileptic, some have gut problems, some have dyspraxia, some have sensory issues, some have certain allergies, some have weak muscle tone, some have fragile-X, etc. BUT, at the same time: many don't have epilepsy, many don't have gut problems, many don't have dyspraxia, many don't have sensory issues, many don't have those allergies, many don't have weak muscle tone, many don't have fragile-X, etc.

However, it's generally true that, overall, autistic people tend to have some physical issues, one way or another. That much can be said. That relative physical weakness is not a bug, but a feature. Mother Nature does not make mistakes at the level of 2% to 5% of its population. The relative physical weakness is what historically has allowed the autistic people to be exempt from hard labor. Instead of contributing with physical strength, the autistic sub-population now had a chance to contribute with their brain power. That, is the message that Mother Nature has been telling us, all along. We just have never learned to listen to her. So we keep turning millions of potential geniuses into comatose, underdeveloped adults. Our society has been committing child abuse towards autistic children, by not letting them grow up in their own autistic way. Yet, none of the culprits ever needs to go to jail. In the name of love, we have destroyed the lives of millions of children.

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Anxiety and depression are not an autistic issue per se: the majority of people that have anxiety and depression are neurotypical.

However, anxiety can be easily removed with the help of a voice recorder. See http://www.eikonabridge.com/anxiety.pdf.